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I wasn't speaking of titles. I was speaking of submitting technical work on engineering related ideas. Typically this is highly regulated under U.S. state law

I wasn't speaking of titles. I was speaking of submitting technical work on engineering related ideas. Typically this is highly regulated under U.S. state laws.

mindslight 9y ago
The generally-good requirement that plans are stamped by a "Professional Engineer" is required by public AHJs/codes and private regulations (eg insurance), and is not under dispute here. Meanwhile much engineering work is not under this regime, but checked by market demand and testing (eg software/electronic). As an Electrical Engineer that has little interest in power systems and isn't looking to rewire other people's houses for money, I have very little use for a PE. I still have the basic right, along with everyone else (regardless of education), to make technical judgments of any situation. How these judgments are valued can (and should) be questioned, but our right to speak them cannot. These laws you speak of are a mix of unenforced, unenforceable, unconstitutional, and unconscionable. Their actual effects are constrained between nothing (ie most people accept the concept of free speech) and the harmful thuggish behavior described in the article.
- someguydave 9y ago
  <i>These laws you speak of are a mix of unenforced, unenforceable, unconstitutional, and unconscionable.</i> Would you say the same thing about doctor licensing laws?
  - mindslight 9y ago
    Yes, if those laws were able/used to silence PhDs using the title Doctor and/or nurses giving informal friendly diagnoses. The proper test is fraud, not trademark or unauthorized subject matter.
    - someguydave 9y ago
      Are you using your own common sense for determining the boundaries of legal doctoring or are you using your State's statues?
- xigency 9y ago
  I agree. The laws themselves read very anachronistically and I can only hope over time they are rolled over to have a much smaller scope. i.e. the government can require specific well-labeled qualifications for its own projects. There are millions of examples of the law being broken in its literal form that would show its absurdity, ranging from computers to cars to banks to universities and classrooms. Good on this man for fighting it in court.

I wasn't speaking of titles. I was speaking of submitting technical work on engineering related ideas. Typically this is highly regulated under U.S. state laws.

mindslight 9y ago

The generally-good requirement that plans are stamped by a "Professional Engineer" is required by public AHJs/codes and private regulations (eg insurance), and is not under dispute here. Meanwhile much engineering work is not under this regime, but checked by market demand and testing (eg software/electronic). As an Electrical Engineer that has little interest in power systems and isn't looking to rewire other people's houses for money, I have very little use for a PE. I still have the basic right, along with everyone else (regardless of education), to make technical judgments of any situation. How these judgments are valued can (and should) be questioned, but our right to speak them cannot. These laws you speak of are a mix of unenforced, unenforceable, unconstitutional, and unconscionable. Their actual effects are constrained between nothing (ie most people accept the concept of free speech) and the harmful thuggish behavior described in the article.

someguydave 9y ago
<i>These laws you speak of are a mix of unenforced, unenforceable, unconstitutional, and unconscionable.</i> Would you say the same thing about doctor licensing laws?
- mindslight 9y ago
  Yes, if those laws were able/used to silence PhDs using the title Doctor and/or nurses giving informal friendly diagnoses. The proper test is fraud, not trademark or unauthorized subject matter.
  - someguydave 9y ago
    Are you using your own common sense for determining the boundaries of legal doctoring or are you using your State's statues?
xigency 9y ago
I agree. The laws themselves read very anachronistically and I can only hope over time they are rolled over to have a much smaller scope. i.e. the government can require specific well-labeled qualifications for its own projects. There are millions of examples of the law being broken in its literal form that would show its absurdity, ranging from computers to cars to banks to universities and classrooms. Good on this man for fighting it in court.