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All those problems and I sit here with my Moto and the last patch from February... Good my guarantee runs out soon so I can switch to something I can patch mys

by aluhut 9y ago

All those problems and I sit here with my Moto and the last patch from February... Good my guarantee runs out soon so I can switch to something I can patch myself.

overshard 9y ago
I'm in a similar situation, I got a One Plus Onyx since I heard so much about how One Plus supports and updates their products and I haven't had an update in over a year. It's probably time to install LineageOS...
- Yizahi 9y ago
  On the other hand OP3 and OP3T have pretty impressive (for me) track record and are now on 8.0 with September security (I think). And out of the box 3T had 6.X something. OP is not a perfect company, not even close, but ok I suppose overall.
  - rdudek 9y ago
    Don't they also have all kinds of backdoors setup on those phones?
    - boomboomsubban 9y ago
      Just one, and it takes physical access with USB debugging enabled. Still would never use their OxygenOS over LineageOS.
    - codefined 9y ago
      There was a report they log when you open apps, close apps, change state, etc. But as far as I know no backdoors have been found that are specific to OnePlus (and not bugs in Android)
    - Yizahi 9y ago
      Yes and no. a) they were collecting excessive telemetry for a long time, after this was exposed they claimed it was config error or something and patched it and additionally allow to disable telemetry in settings fully or partially I think. Though no malicious intent was ever proved it was not a good thing. b) people found app with soft root like capabilities. Eventually it was discovered that it was a debug Qualcomm app left intentionally (and present in phones of other brands) and soft root possible only if attacked has physical access phone must have ADB installed (never used it so I have no additional details). I think there was no other incidents in 2017. Overall it was not good but compared to what can be extracted from Google (and that stuff can't be disabled and present in every Android phone) or other apps that many users install (FB, messengers etc.) it is just drop in the ocean. Not a secure phone but neither are any other mass market phones including Apple (who had degraded their security to a simple pincode - https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2017/11/ios-11-horror-story-the-rise-and-fall-of-ios-security/ https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2017/11/ios-11-horror-story-the-r... ).
roflcake11 9y ago
Why not getting an iPhone and let Apple patch it for you? It's just a phone, not your child, you don't have to take care of it...
- aluhut 9y ago
  I don't like the closed culture and the prices they put up for their hardware are far beyond justified in my opinion. Also, didn't they also had trouble recently?
  - ainiriand 9y ago
    From the top of my head: - Calculator bullshit. - Wifi not really disabled. - UX hell in iphone X. Only from the last 2-3 months.
    - rdudek 9y ago
      Calculator bullshit is due to the animation of the button, and it will only show if you're really fast trying to calculate things. There are better third party calculator apps that don't have that problem and contain more features. The wifi part, I did notice it. But, I think it's by design. When you're connected to wifi, click the wifi button on control center just disconnects your current wifi session. I've actually kinda grown to use that feature. I don't like hooking to xfinity hotspots much, so I click that away. When I get back home, phone automatically hooks back up to my wifi. UX hell in iphone X... don't get iphone X. Or any OLED screens with burn-in issues.
      - djozm 9y ago
        Apple apologists like you and many others I see on HN are hilarious. Justifying the most idiotic bug - literally calculator not able to count 2+2 - as "the user is using it wrong" just goes to show how muck deep the average Apple fanboys brain has rotted.
    - Angostura 9y ago
      If you go into settings and turn Wifi off it is completely off. Turning it off from control centre is a useful alternative where it disconnects, but leaves it available for geolocation and airdrop - it's really rather useful.
josu 9y ago
Some Moto's allow you to unlock the bootloader through their official page.
tapoxi 9y ago
My X 2015 had significant performance issues and Bluetooth would randomly stop working. They didn't upgrade from Marshmallow 6.0.0 to Nougat (7.0.0, not even 7.1) until last month. I bought an iPhone X. I love Android but most manufacturers don't seem to care about the product after you've purchased it.
tonyztan 9y ago
Consider getting a Pixel. Guaranteed timely security updates for 3 years, and you can flash your own images if you'd like.
- lostmsu 9y ago
  I ended up buying used HP Elite x3 (Win10 Mobile) because of that. Even though MS dropped feature updates for Win10 Mobile, they promised security updates until 2020 if I'm not mistaken.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    HP will update their phones into 2019. But yeah, the direct-from-Microsoft security updates basically make an Elite x3 a no-brainer for someone who wants a secure phone at this point. Apps are limited, but apps are usually a risk anyways, the ones you actually need are all there.
    - lostmsu 9y ago
      I'm slightly bummed by the lack of YouTube (hello again, Google), and Lyft.
      - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
        FWIW, I consider being shoved away from Google products a bonus of the Windows Mobile platform at this juncture. ;) It encouraged me to finish transitioning away from their services. YouTube is "good enough" in the browser, but I prefer to not watch videos on a phone anyways, and usually save them for later.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  € 799.00, more than a month salary for many people that I know. Multiple month salaries in many 2nd and 3rd tier countries around the world. Security as a privilege only for the rich people is not a solution.
cJ0th 9y ago
You did not specify the exact model. Have you checked whether there is a LineageOs Rom for your device? https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/
- aluhut 9y ago
  There is. When I wrote the post above I thought I might wait until the guarantee did run out but I'm preparing the switch right now :)

by aluhut 9y ago

All those problems and I sit here with my Moto and the last patch from February... Good my guarantee runs out soon so I can switch to something I can patch myself.

overshard 9y ago

I'm in a similar situation, I got a One Plus Onyx since I heard so much about how One Plus supports and updates their products and I haven't had an update in over a year. It's probably time to install LineageOS...

Yizahi 9y ago
On the other hand OP3 and OP3T have pretty impressive (for me) track record and are now on 8.0 with September security (I think). And out of the box 3T had 6.X something. OP is not a perfect company, not even close, but ok I suppose overall.
- rdudek 9y ago
  Don't they also have all kinds of backdoors setup on those phones?
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    Just one, and it takes physical access with USB debugging enabled. Still would never use their OxygenOS over LineageOS.
  - codefined 9y ago
    There was a report they log when you open apps, close apps, change state, etc. But as far as I know no backdoors have been found that are specific to OnePlus (and not bugs in Android)
  - Yizahi 9y ago
    Yes and no. a) they were collecting excessive telemetry for a long time, after this was exposed they claimed it was config error or something and patched it and additionally allow to disable telemetry in settings fully or partially I think. Though no malicious intent was ever proved it was not a good thing. b) people found app with soft root like capabilities. Eventually it was discovered that it was a debug Qualcomm app left intentionally (and present in phones of other brands) and soft root possible only if attacked has physical access phone must have ADB installed (never used it so I have no additional details). I think there was no other incidents in 2017. Overall it was not good but compared to what can be extracted from Google (and that stuff can't be disabled and present in every Android phone) or other apps that many users install (FB, messengers etc.) it is just drop in the ocean. Not a secure phone but neither are any other mass market phones including Apple (who had degraded their security to a simple pincode - https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2017/11/ios-11-horror-story-the-rise-and-fall-of-ios-security/ https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2017/11/ios-11-horror-story-the-r... ).

roflcake11 9y ago

Why not getting an iPhone and let Apple patch it for you? It's just a phone, not your child, you don't have to take care of it...

aluhut 9y ago
I don't like the closed culture and the prices they put up for their hardware are far beyond justified in my opinion. Also, didn't they also had trouble recently?
- ainiriand 9y ago
  From the top of my head: - Calculator bullshit. - Wifi not really disabled. - UX hell in iphone X. Only from the last 2-3 months.
  - rdudek 9y ago
    Calculator bullshit is due to the animation of the button, and it will only show if you're really fast trying to calculate things. There are better third party calculator apps that don't have that problem and contain more features. The wifi part, I did notice it. But, I think it's by design. When you're connected to wifi, click the wifi button on control center just disconnects your current wifi session. I've actually kinda grown to use that feature. I don't like hooking to xfinity hotspots much, so I click that away. When I get back home, phone automatically hooks back up to my wifi. UX hell in iphone X... don't get iphone X. Or any OLED screens with burn-in issues.
    - djozm 9y ago
      Apple apologists like you and many others I see on HN are hilarious. Justifying the most idiotic bug - literally calculator not able to count 2+2 - as "the user is using it wrong" just goes to show how muck deep the average Apple fanboys brain has rotted.
  - Angostura 9y ago
    If you go into settings and turn Wifi off it is completely off. Turning it off from control centre is a useful alternative where it disconnects, but leaves it available for geolocation and airdrop - it's really rather useful.

josu 9y ago

Some Moto's allow you to unlock the bootloader through their official page.

tapoxi 9y ago

My X 2015 had significant performance issues and Bluetooth would randomly stop working. They didn't upgrade from Marshmallow 6.0.0 to Nougat (7.0.0, not even 7.1) until last month. I bought an iPhone X. I love Android but most manufacturers don't seem to care about the product after you've purchased it.

tonyztan 9y ago

Consider getting a Pixel. Guaranteed timely security updates for 3 years, and you can flash your own images if you'd like.

lostmsu 9y ago
I ended up buying used HP Elite x3 (Win10 Mobile) because of that. Even though MS dropped feature updates for Win10 Mobile, they promised security updates until 2020 if I'm not mistaken.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  HP will update their phones into 2019. But yeah, the direct-from-Microsoft security updates basically make an Elite x3 a no-brainer for someone who wants a secure phone at this point. Apps are limited, but apps are usually a risk anyways, the ones you actually need are all there.
  - lostmsu 9y ago
    I'm slightly bummed by the lack of YouTube (hello again, Google), and Lyft.
    - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
      FWIW, I consider being shoved away from Google products a bonus of the Windows Mobile platform at this juncture. ;) It encouraged me to finish transitioning away from their services. YouTube is "good enough" in the browser, but I prefer to not watch videos on a phone anyways, and usually save them for later.
pjmlp 9y ago
€ 799.00, more than a month salary for many people that I know. Multiple month salaries in many 2nd and 3rd tier countries around the world. Security as a privilege only for the rich people is not a solution.

cJ0th 9y ago

You did not specify the exact model. Have you checked whether there is a LineageOs Rom for your device? https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/

aluhut 9y ago
There is. When I wrote the post above I thought I might wait until the guarantee did run out but I'm preparing the switch right now :)