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The least you can do is NOT make jokes of those who keep those organizations going.

by d33 9y ago

mobilemidget 9y ago
“If you can't joke about the most horrendous things in the world, what's the point of jokes? What's the point in having humor? Humor is to get us over terrible things.” ― Ricky Gervais This includes less horrendous things, like the big parties behind LE that request donations? Akamai, Mozilla, Cisco, OVH, Google, etc, I'm pretty sure the running costs of LE is nihil for them. Why ask for donations?
- NicoJuicy 9y ago
  Because services still aren't free. They have support from big companies, yes, doesn't mean you shouldn't donate. Definatly for something that makes your life easier ( it does mine)
  - mobilemidget 9y ago
    Just saying 'doesn't mean you shouldn't donate' doesn't give ANY reason why you should donate. Those companies want everybody to have https for free right? Then offer it for free and don't start begging for money afterwards? The 2.6 million running costs is change for a party like google, and they pay it with money MADE by raping privacy of the same group of users... you are already paying... why donate? -- oh your lovely votes forbid me to take the discussion further... You say makes life easier, but you don't explain how it makes your life easier? Everybody should be capable of running a single openssl command and update configurations of a webserver or other service? (you still need to run LE command, so saves you one handling?) There are 60+ LE client implementations... because people apparently cant run a single openssl command and update a configuration? Isn't that overkill? In my opinion, for what it 'solves' or how it makes your life easier, it certainly is overkill. And don't forget all the clients need to be maintained, etc etc. And you certainly underestimate the information that is generated by running LE, the information leaked, (OCSP requests etc) They can monetise it easily (or do shadier things like leak this information to their partners, google Akamai etc), so again, why donate.
    - NicoJuicy 9y ago
      Please read my comment again, the second line is a reason why you should donate: Definatly for something that makes your life easier ( it does mine) PS. I think your issues with Google are severly clouding your judgement.
      - mobilemidget 9y ago
        Google, Cisco, mozilla. I wouldn't be so naive about them, but have nice easier life weekend :D
      - mobilemidget 9y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15931730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15931730 Enjoy your trust in big parties still?
- pfg 9y ago
  > I'm pretty sure the running costs of LE is nihil for them. Why ask for donations? For one thing, it's not the best idea to depend on a small number of large enterprises for most of your budget. It's not in any way a concern today, but there might come a time when their interests are not aligned with those of the people your organization is trying to protect.

The least you can do is NOT make jokes of those who keep those organizations going.

by d33 9y ago

The least you can do is NOT make jokes of those who keep those organizations going.

“If you can't joke about the most horrendous things in the world, what's the point of jokes? What's the point in having humor? Humor is to get us over terrible things.” ― Ricky Gervais This includes less horrendous things, like the big parties behind LE that request donations? Akamai, Mozilla, Cisco, OVH, Google, etc, I'm pretty sure the running costs of LE is nihil for them. Why ask for donations?

NicoJuicy 9y ago
Because services still aren't free. They have support from big companies, yes, doesn't mean you shouldn't donate. Definatly for something that makes your life easier ( it does mine)
- mobilemidget 9y ago
  Just saying 'doesn't mean you shouldn't donate' doesn't give ANY reason why you should donate. Those companies want everybody to have https for free right? Then offer it for free and don't start begging for money afterwards? The 2.6 million running costs is change for a party like google, and they pay it with money MADE by raping privacy of the same group of users... you are already paying... why donate? -- oh your lovely votes forbid me to take the discussion further... You say makes life easier, but you don't explain how it makes your life easier? Everybody should be capable of running a single openssl command and update configurations of a webserver or other service? (you still need to run LE command, so saves you one handling?) There are 60+ LE client implementations... because people apparently cant run a single openssl command and update a configuration? Isn't that overkill? In my opinion, for what it 'solves' or how it makes your life easier, it certainly is overkill. And don't forget all the clients need to be maintained, etc etc. And you certainly underestimate the information that is generated by running LE, the information leaked, (OCSP requests etc) They can monetise it easily (or do shadier things like leak this information to their partners, google Akamai etc), so again, why donate.
  - NicoJuicy 9y ago
    Please read my comment again, the second line is a reason why you should donate: Definatly for something that makes your life easier ( it does mine) PS. I think your issues with Google are severly clouding your judgement.
    - mobilemidget 9y ago
      Google, Cisco, mozilla. I wouldn't be so naive about them, but have nice easier life weekend :D
    - mobilemidget 9y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15931730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15931730 Enjoy your trust in big parties still?
pfg 9y ago
> I'm pretty sure the running costs of LE is nihil for them. Why ask for donations? For one thing, it's not the best idea to depend on a small number of large enterprises for most of your budget. It's not in any way a concern today, but there might come a time when their interests are not aligned with those of the people your organization is trying to protect.