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>No one is going to use these forums if it means they or their family members can be put in jail for a joke. Nah, they will. The convenience factor far outweig

by fiblye 9y ago

>No one is going to use these forums if it means they or their family members can be put in jail for a joke. Nah, they will. The convenience factor far outweighs the risk for most people. Everyone thinks "well, they must've done something stupid", and if not that, "well, that was just one strange occurrence. It won't happen to me."

speedplane 9y ago
Not necessarily. In the US we now have Signal and other secure messaging apps. Why can't those emerge elsewhere?
- fiblye 9y ago
  Because if someone says they want your facebook/line/whatever to talk to you, you become a bit of an outcast when you say that you only use secure messaging apps like Signal. People here might be willing to put up with those discussions, but most people don't. Furthermore, I have huge doubts whenever any US-based company says it's "secure". It's easy to say that. Even on their security page[1], they don't give a clear, straight "yes" to the "is it private?" question. Ask a farmer if his beef comes from real cows and he'll say "yes." Ask a company that makes secure apps if they read your messages, and they say "we use various encryption techniques to prevent unwanted man in the middle attacks and our specific organization name won't read your messages." So sure, they're safe from unwanted attacks and they won't personally read your messages. Governments, well, we won't reference the clear suspect of this question because you know why. https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/212477768-Is-it-private-Can-I-trust-it- https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/212477768-Is-it...
  - speedplane 9y ago
    I understand the social / cultural problems with moving form Facebook, but the value of privacy is a social / cultural one, not a technical one. If you can't engage people on a cultural level, then you've already lost. My original point was just that technical solutions exist, not that there is a social will to use them.

by fiblye 9y ago

speedplane 9y ago

Not necessarily. In the US we now have Signal and other secure messaging apps. Why can't those emerge elsewhere?

fiblye 9y ago
Because if someone says they want your facebook/line/whatever to talk to you, you become a bit of an outcast when you say that you only use secure messaging apps like Signal. People here might be willing to put up with those discussions, but most people don't. Furthermore, I have huge doubts whenever any US-based company says it's "secure". It's easy to say that. Even on their security page[1], they don't give a clear, straight "yes" to the "is it private?" question. Ask a farmer if his beef comes from real cows and he'll say "yes." Ask a company that makes secure apps if they read your messages, and they say "we use various encryption techniques to prevent unwanted man in the middle attacks and our specific organization name won't read your messages." So sure, they're safe from unwanted attacks and they won't personally read your messages. Governments, well, we won't reference the clear suspect of this question because you know why. https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/212477768-Is-it-private-Can-I-trust-it- https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/212477768-Is-it...
- speedplane 9y ago
  I understand the social / cultural problems with moving form Facebook, but the value of privacy is a social / cultural one, not a technical one. If you can't engage people on a cultural level, then you've already lost. My original point was just that technical solutions exist, not that there is a social will to use them.