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Yes but why would you ever want to move there to create a startup? Not only you have to deal with enterprise related problems such as fiscal instability (rules

Yes but why would you ever want to move there to create a startup? Not only you have to deal with enterprise related problems such as fiscal instability (rules changes almost every years, see for example how the auto-entrepreneur status changed over time), the URSSAF, a bureaucratic and slow administration but you have also to deal with a lot of issues on a personal level such as insecurity, terrorism, frequent riots and strikes, the administration (yes, again), ... No really, as a French and as someone who tried a minimal thing with the easiest available status, I don’t understand how my country can be attractive. I would rather deal with the Japanese administration, which asks for ridiculous amount of documents but does its job. And a country with working services (transports, post) is also a big plus.

ekianjo 9y ago
> I would rather deal with the Japanese administration, which asks for ridiculous amount of documents but does its job. And a country with working services (transports, post) is also a big plus. Among developed countries, certainly France is in the best choices available, but as many pointed out in this thread, Japan, while having highly reliable services, is also kind of a late adopter for many technologies and often goes in trends that are quite different from the rest of the world.
ArmandGrillet 9y ago
Did you ever work in another country? I work in Germany with colleagues from many different countries, and our country does not suck. The French post is one of the best in the World, train delays are the same in France as in Germany (shall we compare with the situation in the US?), the administration is a PITA but they actually try to help instead of killing you (+ the number of organisms to help startups in France is very high). Terrorism in France is a minimal cause of deaths compared to what happens in the US due to firearms. The fiscal instability is getting better with our current government (we know what is coming, not like in the US), the number of riots is low but they are highly mediatized. I am honestly surprised by this comment, would have expected it from someone not living in France. Compared to the UK and USA, France is a safer place to create your startup right now if you are a foreigner. The language is a pain and there are other alternatives (Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany) but if you want a country in the Western World that tries to help you instead of making everything possible to have you back at the border, France is attractive. PS: If you ask « Why is it attractive? »: Paris is full of investors/incubators, young people do speak English, people in the startup environment interact a lot and you will find mates to work and speak about your issues easily. Paris has two major airports (compared to Germany with old airports in Berlin and a too small one in Hamburg) + train stations to go everywhere (i.e. London, Bordeaux, Lyon).
- neximo64 9y ago
  > Compared to the UK and USA, France is a safer place to create your startup right now if you are a foreigner. In what way? You can't raise as much money. Your market is smaller, bureacracy is more (just to compare it costs £12 to make a company in the UK vs EUR 180 at a minimum in France), taxes are less in the UK & US, access to cloud computing is less available locally in France. You can get a visa in the UK and US too.. heck Australia too it's not as if France is special here. In fact on business terms, you're heavily disadvantaged in France.
- titanix2 9y ago
  > Did you ever work in another country? Yes. I'm currently working in another country and I've been studying in Japan for a year. So I have few points of comparison. Terrorism is not just a question of numbers. The problem is more about how the government handle the matter. When you read things like terrorists getting welfare[1] for years, the fact they can keep the nationality[2] and returnees jihadists from Syria will be welcomed[3], in addition to no state reaction after Charlie (which lead to the Bataclan event), no real proactive mesures against 15 000 people suspected of terrorism acquaintance or support[4], the problem is not current terrorism, it is the future. Because almost nothing is done against it and you can except to see the trend of multiples attacks per year (or month, Europe wise) to continue for years. Should I mention that if you ever got red-handed in a terrorist plot you're only sentenced to maximum 10 years of prison[6], that can be further reduced for "good behavior"? It's even creating more of them actually.[7] And that hosting them is not even considered prosecutable?[8] And let's not dive in rabbit hole of the hundreds of salafist mosques that can preach hate against the French in total impunity. It also have impact on daily life. Multiples subway stations are closed for hours everyday because of suspicious bags, the train station like Gare du Nord are closed and rushed by the police on a regular basis. Anyway I could simply have started my post with a question, like you did: did you ever had a friend got shot in a terror attack? I guess not, otherwise you would not just speak about numbers. [1] https://francais.rt.com/international/44967-2-millions-deuros-fraude-allocations-djihadistes https://francais.rt.com/international/44967-2-millions-deuro... [2] http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2016/03/30/25001-20160330ARTFIG00296-decheance-de-nationalite-un-abandon-en-six-actes.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2016/03/30/25001-20... [3] http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/11/09/01016-20171109ARTFIG00310-retour-de-djihadistes-macron-prone-le-cas-par-cas-pour-les-femmes-et-les-enfants.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/11/09/01016-201... [4] https://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/15-000-fiches-s-pour-radicalisation-85661 https://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/15-000-fiches-s-p... [5] https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-djihadiste-de-strasbourg-7-a-9-ans-de-prison-en-appel-pour-les-prevenus_1906331.html https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-dj... [6] https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-djihadiste-de-strasbourg-7-a-9-ans-de-prison-en-appel-pour-les-prevenus_1906331.html https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-dj... [7] http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/03/30/97001-20170330FILWWW00068-les-prisons-principales-sources-de-radicalisation.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/03/30/97001-20170330F... [8] http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/article/2016/05/26/jawad-le-logeur-devrait-echapper-aux-poursuites-pour-terrorisme_4926700_4809495.html http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/article/2016/05/26/ja...

ekianjo 9y ago

> I would rather deal with the Japanese administration, which asks for ridiculous amount of documents but does its job. And a country with working services (transports, post) is also a big plus. Among developed countries, certainly France is in the best choices available, but as many pointed out in this thread, Japan, while having highly reliable services, is also kind of a late adopter for many technologies and often goes in trends that are quite different from the rest of the world.

ArmandGrillet 9y ago

Did you ever work in another country? I work in Germany with colleagues from many different countries, and our country does not suck. The French post is one of the best in the World, train delays are the same in France as in Germany (shall we compare with the situation in the US?), the administration is a PITA but they actually try to help instead of killing you (+ the number of organisms to help startups in France is very high). Terrorism in France is a minimal cause of deaths compared to what happens in the US due to firearms. The fiscal instability is getting better with our current government (we know what is coming, not like in the US), the number of riots is low but they are highly mediatized. I am honestly surprised by this comment, would have expected it from someone not living in France. Compared to the UK and USA, France is a safer place to create your startup right now if you are a foreigner. The language is a pain and there are other alternatives (Canada, Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany) but if you want a country in the Western World that tries to help you instead of making everything possible to have you back at the border, France is attractive. PS: If you ask « Why is it attractive? »: Paris is full of investors/incubators, young people do speak English, people in the startup environment interact a lot and you will find mates to work and speak about your issues easily. Paris has two major airports (compared to Germany with old airports in Berlin and a too small one in Hamburg) + train stations to go everywhere (i.e. London, Bordeaux, Lyon).

neximo64 9y ago
> Compared to the UK and USA, France is a safer place to create your startup right now if you are a foreigner. In what way? You can't raise as much money. Your market is smaller, bureacracy is more (just to compare it costs £12 to make a company in the UK vs EUR 180 at a minimum in France), taxes are less in the UK & US, access to cloud computing is less available locally in France. You can get a visa in the UK and US too.. heck Australia too it's not as if France is special here. In fact on business terms, you're heavily disadvantaged in France.
titanix2 9y ago
> Did you ever work in another country? Yes. I'm currently working in another country and I've been studying in Japan for a year. So I have few points of comparison. Terrorism is not just a question of numbers. The problem is more about how the government handle the matter. When you read things like terrorists getting welfare[1] for years, the fact they can keep the nationality[2] and returnees jihadists from Syria will be welcomed[3], in addition to no state reaction after Charlie (which lead to the Bataclan event), no real proactive mesures against 15 000 people suspected of terrorism acquaintance or support[4], the problem is not current terrorism, it is the future. Because almost nothing is done against it and you can except to see the trend of multiples attacks per year (or month, Europe wise) to continue for years. Should I mention that if you ever got red-handed in a terrorist plot you're only sentenced to maximum 10 years of prison[6], that can be further reduced for "good behavior"? It's even creating more of them actually.[7] And that hosting them is not even considered prosecutable?[8] And let's not dive in rabbit hole of the hundreds of salafist mosques that can preach hate against the French in total impunity. It also have impact on daily life. Multiples subway stations are closed for hours everyday because of suspicious bags, the train station like Gare du Nord are closed and rushed by the police on a regular basis. Anyway I could simply have started my post with a question, like you did: did you ever had a friend got shot in a terror attack? I guess not, otherwise you would not just speak about numbers. [1] https://francais.rt.com/international/44967-2-millions-deuros-fraude-allocations-djihadistes https://francais.rt.com/international/44967-2-millions-deuro... [2] http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2016/03/30/25001-20160330ARTFIG00296-decheance-de-nationalite-un-abandon-en-six-actes.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2016/03/30/25001-20... [3] http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/11/09/01016-20171109ARTFIG00310-retour-de-djihadistes-macron-prone-le-cas-par-cas-pour-les-femmes-et-les-enfants.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2017/11/09/01016-201... [4] https://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/15-000-fiches-s-pour-radicalisation-85661 https://www.valeursactuelles.com/politique/15-000-fiches-s-p... [5] https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-djihadiste-de-strasbourg-7-a-9-ans-de-prison-en-appel-pour-les-prevenus_1906331.html https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-dj... [6] https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-djihadiste-de-strasbourg-7-a-9-ans-de-prison-en-appel-pour-les-prevenus_1906331.html https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/justice/filiere-dj... [7] http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/03/30/97001-20170330FILWWW00068-les-prisons-principales-sources-de-radicalisation.php http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/03/30/97001-20170330F... [8] http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/article/2016/05/26/jawad-le-logeur-devrait-echapper-aux-poursuites-pour-terrorisme_4926700_4809495.html http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/article/2016/05/26/ja...