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Red Dog: Ray Ozzie's answer to the Google App Engine?

7 points by bootload 19y ago

thorax 19y ago
This is the exciting bit-- there are five major players who are going to be competing in this space because it's very juicy. Google, MS, AWS, Sun, and Yahoo. I feel like we've hit some sort of 'event horizon' now in "Web 2.0", or are quickly approaching it. It feels a bit like the end of Web 2.0 or the beginning of something else... MS in this space will surely be a bit more ambitious regarding languages, as they have an entire .NET library that can go to IL and run as securely as it needs to run on their infrastructure. The database aspects would be more familiar to developers, but probably somewhat less scalable. Sun for their part were already talking a bit about MySQL services via SAAS, and Java also would be suited pretty well for secure running on infrastructure servers. They've always talked a lot about cloud computing and making the network open and employed. I'm really liking (and am somewhat scared) to see where things are going all of a sudden. Unfortunately, the web startup space is about to get incredibly crowded and revenue models are going to get harder and harder as free web services become more common than they already are.
rapind 19y ago
I would add IBM to the utility computing list, and I'm not entirely sure I would include Yahoo. Very exciting indeed.
fdb 19y ago
This is classic FUD: "we're working on it", "it'll be quite a bit better". It's only relevant when it's released. In the meantime, let's work with something that actually exists.
- wanorris 19y ago
  It's only mostly irrelevant: if you're not already using Microsoft tools (and you're probably not, if you're on news.yc), this is surely irrelevant to you. This surely isn't going to make anyone switch to Microsoft tools. If you are a Microsoft developer, and you expect to need a cloud infrastructure, this means that if you can afford to wait and see, maybe you don't have to throw away your existing investment in Microsoft tools. If you have a sizable investment in Microsoft tools this is likely very important to you, because migrating from .Net to either AWS or Google App Engine would be enormously complicated.

7 points by bootload 19y ago

This is the exciting bit-- there are five major players who are going to be competing in this space because it's very juicy. Google, MS, AWS, Sun, and Yahoo. I feel like we've hit some sort of 'event horizon' now in "Web 2.0", or are quickly approaching it. It feels a bit like the end of Web 2.0 or the beginning of something else... MS in this space will surely be a bit more ambitious regarding languages, as they have an entire .NET library that can go to IL and run as securely as it needs to run on their infrastructure. The database aspects would be more familiar to developers, but probably somewhat less scalable. Sun for their part were already talking a bit about MySQL services via SAAS, and Java also would be suited pretty well for secure running on infrastructure servers. They've always talked a lot about cloud computing and making the network open and employed. I'm really liking (and am somewhat scared) to see where things are going all of a sudden. Unfortunately, the web startup space is about to get incredibly crowded and revenue models are going to get harder and harder as free web services become more common than they already are.

rapind 19y ago

I would add IBM to the utility computing list, and I'm not entirely sure I would include Yahoo. Very exciting indeed.

fdb 19y ago

This is classic FUD: "we're working on it", "it'll be quite a bit better". It's only relevant when it's released. In the meantime, let's work with something that actually exists.

wanorris 19y ago
It's only mostly irrelevant: if you're not already using Microsoft tools (and you're probably not, if you're on news.yc), this is surely irrelevant to you. This surely isn't going to make anyone switch to Microsoft tools. If you are a Microsoft developer, and you expect to need a cloud infrastructure, this means that if you can afford to wait and see, maybe you don't have to throw away your existing investment in Microsoft tools. If you have a sizable investment in Microsoft tools this is likely very important to you, because migrating from .Net to either AWS or Google App Engine would be enormously complicated.