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> There is a goal, but no way; but what we call a way is hesitation. -- Franz Kafka, "Reflections on Sin, Suffering, Hope, and the True Way" When it comes to
by musage 9y ago
> There is a goal, but no way; but what we call a way is hesitation.
-- Franz Kafka, "Reflections on Sin, Suffering, Hope, and the True Way"
When it comes to oppression by the insane -- and that's what it is, the desire for power cannot come without insanity -- there is only cowardice.
I once saw a animal documentary, one scene was zebras that had to cross a river because there was no food left on the side of it they were on. The crocodiles were already waiting for their annual feast. The zebras pushed up to the river edge, aware of the crocodiles, hesitated a bit, but once the first few started to go into the river, the rest instantly followed. A few crocodiles would catch a zebra each, but most zebras came to the other side unscathed, the herd lived another year. I still remember how that one zebra that got surrounded and bitten, got itself out of the water again (on the side the zebras came from) while its guts were falling out, collapsed just out of frame, and got dragged back by a crocodile to get eaten. It was probably the lack of video resolution and sound that gave me the impression of that zebra being very stoic, but at any rate it seemed to calmly do what it needed to do. It fought back as much as it could, but it didn't, say, roll its eyes back like a (domesticated) horse might -- none of what I would have expected. It reminded and reminds me of this:
> I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.
-- D. H. Lawrence
What are we doing? We hang around, and when someone makes a run for it, and looks for us to follow, we watch them get eaten and call them dumb or idealistic. We're ungrateful towards those we don't even deserve. We're cowards. And we're not even dealing with crocodiles. One on one, we are dealing with dwarves. Consider a man like Hitler. As a person, he was incredibly weak. Other than children, there is nobody he himself could have harmed. Left to his own devices, he would have just rotted and then imploded. That goes for most powerful people who abuse their power, individually they are a joke. Yet here we are, on mass graves, and already training ourselves to accept worse.
Forget power and war: Each year, how many elderly people freeze to death in the UK? How many children starve each minute in the world? There is just cowardice, obedience to those who deserve no authority, and self-pity of those who deserve no pity.
- humanrebar 9y ago> ...gave me the impression of that zebra being very stoic... Shock serves a purpose in nature.
- musage 9y agoIt didn't freeze though, it fought against 3-4 crocodiles in deep water, shaking them off for long enough to walk on land while guts were spilling out. If you mean adrenaline numbing pain, sure, and both fight and flight were present, true. But what point are you making in the context of my point? Is there one? And do you include humans in "nature"? Because the suicidal behaviour a parasite can force on an ant do also serves a purpose "in nature", but mostly for the parasite. For a biologist, it might be all fine, for the ant, it's not.
- KineticLensman 9y agoI saw a zebra get caught by two lions. It ran like crazy until they caught it up, one of them standing on its hind legs leaning on the zebra. It then stood completely still for a few seconds before the lions pushed it over and finished it off. I hadn’t considered shock as a possible reason but it certainly seemed to have given up.
- musage 9y agoI wasn't talking about zebras in isolation, I was talking about something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8HJ2RJwcJM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8HJ2RJwcJM except there were more crocodiles and the zebras were forming less of a line. Yes, that individual zebra probably knew it was done for the second it was surrounded. Struggling didn't make a difference for itself, it made a difference for everybody else. And if the zebras had just stood there going "you first", they would ALL have died. That's the point. That's how we do, and I don't see anyone debating that main point. It's not even selfless, it's the difference between thinking in terms of quarterly profits and one's own comfort in one's own lifespan, and destroying the planet and society in the process. If you want to think of it in terms of DNA, if other humans survive then still more genes similar to your own get passed on than if NOBODY survives. > Courage is indispensible because in politics not life but the world is at stake. -- Hannah Arendt Who also often pointed out how many intellectuals have this talent to not see the woods for all the trees, and how talking about serious things with average people is often more fruitful. Chomsky made the same point, though I can't find the quote for him either.