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Tree Style Tabs are nice but what I _really_ need is multi-row tabs with some of the features from the old Tab Mix Plus extension. There are some ways to do mu

Tree Style Tabs are nice but what I _really_ need is multi-row tabs with some of the features from the old Tab Mix Plus extension. There are some ways to do multi-row tabs with userChrome.css but it is just not the same.

CosmicShadow 9y ago
100% agree, I held out for so long before being forced to upgrade my Firefox because losing multi-row was like cutting off a leg. I don't know why there isn't a simple checkbox to make tabs create new rows, if I don't like the loss of space, I'll close tabs, but now I can't seen what tabs are open because of these dumb left-right arrows and no space! I miss Tab Mix Plus!
- yoodenvranx 9y ago
  You can use this as a base for your own multi-row-tabs experiments: https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/7dclp7/multirow_tabs_in_ff57/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/7dclp7/multirow... I use a modified version of this and I am kinda happy. With a real extension it could be much better but for now at least it's better than the standard tab bar. If anyone has a better guide/config: Please post it here!
  - wvenable 9y ago
    I'm using some modification of that get to get multi-row tabs -- not ideal but it works. I'm no longer even sure which is the final version of it. There are some unfortunate quirks with it.
    - yoodenvranx 9y ago
      Did you manage to enable scrolling of the mouse wheel to switch tabs?
      - wvenable 9y ago
        No. :( I also started looking into using CSS grids to make the tab sizing better but that created it's own problems. I need to spend more time working on it.
  - MiddleEndian 9y ago
    There are other tab behvaiors that TabMixPlus offers including going to the last used tab on close, open in foreground tab in the context menu for links, scroll wheel to cycle through tabs, and some other things I take for granted and then get disoriented when I use FF57. Without those, it's painful. I will stick to the older Firefox (or maybe an alternative like Waterfox) until it becomes impossible to use new sites with it, or if somebody (myself included) reimplements these features in a way compatible with FF57.
    - yoodenvranx 9y ago
      > scroll wheel to cycle through tabs, This is the single most infuriating thing for me and I just don't understand why this is not a standard option, especially since it works perfectly fine by default on Chrome!
      - catach 9y ago
        Probably because it's used for scrolling the tab strip when the amount of tabs is so high that their width stops shrinking and further overflowing tabs are clipped from the strip area. Relatedly, if you use Tree Style Tab there's an extending extension that adds proper mouse wheel scrolling: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab-mouse-wheel/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
- glenneroo 9y ago
  I wasn't even aware of multi-row tabs because I was still using Chrome, which dynamically resizes the tabs until they just show the icon, which usually is sufficient to know which tab is what. Now, in Quantum the minimum tab size is HUGE in comparison, showing the first ~5 letters. Instead of resizing smaller, I have to use click the arrows left/right which change from light gray to white (barely noticeable) when tabs are hidden. I've been using Quantum daily since the release and I'm really fighting to not switch back to Chrome (and don't even get me started about the LastPass extension bugs/missing features).
51Cards 9y ago
Also waiting for a TabMixPlus replacement. I've updated FireFox on a few of my other systems as experiments and used userchrome.css to tinker but my main development machine will stay at v56 until I can properly replicate my workflow in 57+
- dagenleg 9y ago
  You should install ESR then, don't forego the security updates
  - alexseman 9y ago
    WaterFox 56 ESR is out with the security patches from FF 57: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-download https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-d...
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tlynchpin 9y ago
I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash about Quantum regarding specifically this. Tab Mix Plus doesn't work, so Quantum lacks the killer feature of multi-row tabs. And all this nonsense about userchrome.css as a workaround is just .. no. I am not taking on the burden of maintaining that thru future versions. I'm stuck at 56.02 and that's for sure not great, and if I roll back to ESR I lose my history. And staying stuck at 56 is so far impossible, something keeps auto updating it even though I turned the update off in config. I've resigned to just reinstalling 56.02 periodically. For the first time in forever I'm seriously considering ditching Moz. /rant
- alexseman 9y ago
  I've also decided to stay on 56.02 for a while longer. But have a look at Waterfox 56: they made it an ESR release and ported many of the security patches from FF 57. https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-download https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-d...
- Sylos 9y ago
  > I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash about Quantum regarding specifically this. Tab Mix Plus doesn't work, so Quantum lacks the killer feature of multi-row tabs. Hardly anyone actually used this or even knew about it, that's why there's essentially no backlash. (Which is to say thousands of people used this, but that's just not many at all at the scale of Firefox.)
  - catach 9y ago
    Half a million people are currently using the extension [1] though it's likely true that only a subset use it for multi-row tabs. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-mix-plus/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-mix-plus/
kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
Colorized vertical tabs like TabKit2 used to do would also be nice.
keypusher 9y ago
What is the use case for multi-row over tree style? I feel like tree-style allows me to easily see all my open tabs and their hierarchy. With multi-row your tabs are still scrunched into a small area that does not allow you to read their title or easily differentiate them when you have many open.

CosmicShadow 9y ago

100% agree, I held out for so long before being forced to upgrade my Firefox because losing multi-row was like cutting off a leg. I don't know why there isn't a simple checkbox to make tabs create new rows, if I don't like the loss of space, I'll close tabs, but now I can't seen what tabs are open because of these dumb left-right arrows and no space! I miss Tab Mix Plus!

yoodenvranx 9y ago
You can use this as a base for your own multi-row-tabs experiments: https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/7dclp7/multirow_tabs_in_ff57/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/7dclp7/multirow... I use a modified version of this and I am kinda happy. With a real extension it could be much better but for now at least it's better than the standard tab bar. If anyone has a better guide/config: Please post it here!
- wvenable 9y ago
  I'm using some modification of that get to get multi-row tabs -- not ideal but it works. I'm no longer even sure which is the final version of it. There are some unfortunate quirks with it.
  - yoodenvranx 9y ago
    Did you manage to enable scrolling of the mouse wheel to switch tabs?
    - wvenable 9y ago
      No. :( I also started looking into using CSS grids to make the tab sizing better but that created it's own problems. I need to spend more time working on it.
- MiddleEndian 9y ago
  There are other tab behvaiors that TabMixPlus offers including going to the last used tab on close, open in foreground tab in the context menu for links, scroll wheel to cycle through tabs, and some other things I take for granted and then get disoriented when I use FF57. Without those, it's painful. I will stick to the older Firefox (or maybe an alternative like Waterfox) until it becomes impossible to use new sites with it, or if somebody (myself included) reimplements these features in a way compatible with FF57.
  - yoodenvranx 9y ago
    > scroll wheel to cycle through tabs, This is the single most infuriating thing for me and I just don't understand why this is not a standard option, especially since it works perfectly fine by default on Chrome!
    - catach 9y ago
      Probably because it's used for scrolling the tab strip when the amount of tabs is so high that their width stops shrinking and further overflowing tabs are clipped from the strip area. Relatedly, if you use Tree Style Tab there's an extending extension that adds proper mouse wheel scrolling: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab-mouse-wheel/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
glenneroo 9y ago
I wasn't even aware of multi-row tabs because I was still using Chrome, which dynamically resizes the tabs until they just show the icon, which usually is sufficient to know which tab is what. Now, in Quantum the minimum tab size is HUGE in comparison, showing the first ~5 letters. Instead of resizing smaller, I have to use click the arrows left/right which change from light gray to white (barely noticeable) when tabs are hidden. I've been using Quantum daily since the release and I'm really fighting to not switch back to Chrome (and don't even get me started about the LastPass extension bugs/missing features).

51Cards 9y ago

Also waiting for a TabMixPlus replacement. I've updated FireFox on a few of my other systems as experiments and used userchrome.css to tinker but my main development machine will stay at v56 until I can properly replicate my workflow in 57+

dagenleg 9y ago
You should install ESR then, don't forego the security updates
- alexseman 9y ago
  WaterFox 56 ESR is out with the security patches from FF 57: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-download https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-d...
- deleted 9y ago
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tlynchpin 9y ago

I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash about Quantum regarding specifically this. Tab Mix Plus doesn't work, so Quantum lacks the killer feature of multi-row tabs. And all this nonsense about userchrome.css as a workaround is just .. no. I am not taking on the burden of maintaining that thru future versions. I'm stuck at 56.02 and that's for sure not great, and if I roll back to ESR I lose my history. And staying stuck at 56 is so far impossible, something keeps auto updating it even though I turned the update off in config. I've resigned to just reinstalling 56.02 periodically. For the first time in forever I'm seriously considering ditching Moz. /rant

alexseman 9y ago
I've also decided to stay on 56.02 for a while longer. But have a look at Waterfox 56: they made it an ESR release and ported many of the security patches from FF 57. https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-download https://www.waterfoxproject.org/blog/waterfox-56.0-release-d...
Sylos 9y ago
> I'm surprised there hasn't been more backlash about Quantum regarding specifically this. Tab Mix Plus doesn't work, so Quantum lacks the killer feature of multi-row tabs. Hardly anyone actually used this or even knew about it, that's why there's essentially no backlash. (Which is to say thousands of people used this, but that's just not many at all at the scale of Firefox.)
- catach 9y ago
  Half a million people are currently using the extension [1] though it's likely true that only a subset use it for multi-row tabs. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-mix-plus/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-mix-plus/

kevin_thibedeau 9y ago

Colorized vertical tabs like TabKit2 used to do would also be nice.

keypusher 9y ago

What is the use case for multi-row over tree style? I feel like tree-style allows me to easily see all my open tabs and their hierarchy. With multi-row your tabs are still scrunched into a small area that does not allow you to read their title or easily differentiate them when you have many open.