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As a general rule of thumb, if something isn't used for calculations, it probably shouldn't be a number.

AlisdairO 9y ago
That wouldn't generally be my approach. In my view if something is a number it should be typed as such. That said, I recognise that there are pros and cons to this approach similar to those in strongly vs weakly typed PLs. My personal preference is for a strong schema.
- marvy 9y ago
  There is a hidden assumption in your phrase "if something is a number". You imply that a zipcode is "obviously" a number. But it's not obvious. A zipcode is obviously a sequence of digits, but not everything that we represent as a sequence of digits is meaningfully treated as a number. Leading zeros are one sign that zip codes are just digit strings, not numbers. Another (silly) example: if you REALLY have a number, then it doesn't matter what base you write it in. The number four can be written as 4 in base ten, or as 100 in base two. If you write a zip code in anything other than base ten, it's not really a zip code anymore. Likewise, you can't add zip codes, nor subtract them, nor even meaningfully say that 11229 is more than 11228. You might as well use the letters A through J instead of the digits zero through nine, and suffer no serious inconvenience. And indeed, some countries use something like zip codes, except that they have letters and numbers, yet I would hesitate to say that Canadian zip codes are so fundamentally different from US zip codes that they deserve to be stored under a different data type. In conclusion, even you prefer a strong schema, a case can be made that zip codes should not be integers. Of course, that leaves open the question of what they should be, since most SQL databases have no built-in data type for digit sequences or anything similar. I have no answer to this and would personally just use integers anyway.
  - Danihan 9y ago
    What's the issue with making them char(5) (or perhaps char(9) depending if you want to do zip+4)? That's what I've always done..
  - wehere111 9y ago
    it's not 'a case can be made' - it's strictly incorrect to store zip codes as integers
  - AlisdairO 9y ago
    Ah, I should have been clearer in my initial response. I actually have no opinion on whether zip codes are a number, as I'm from the UK and don't really know how they work :-). I was more responding to the idea that any numeric value you don't do calculations on should be stored as a bare string. I would be happy enough with a string that had a constraint limiting the string to characters [0-9], though (again, assuming the data in question is limited to those chars). On the whole, pgexercises punts on the data modelling aspect, as it's focused on teaching SQL instead - in some cases choosing deliberately bad schema design to make it easier to ask interesting questions. On reflection I'm not sure this was a good approach, but I'm far past the point where I have time/inclination to revisit it.
    - marvy 9y ago
      Ah; makes sense
- detaro 9y ago
  So you'd create a different table for international addresses, or have 2 zip code fields or ...?
- Danihan 9y ago
  Zip codes aren't numbers, they are numeric strings.

That wouldn't generally be my approach. In my view if something is a number it should be typed as such. That said, I recognise that there are pros and cons to this approach similar to those in strongly vs weakly typed PLs. My personal preference is for a strong schema.

marvy 9y ago
There is a hidden assumption in your phrase "if something is a number". You imply that a zipcode is "obviously" a number. But it's not obvious. A zipcode is obviously a sequence of digits, but not everything that we represent as a sequence of digits is meaningfully treated as a number. Leading zeros are one sign that zip codes are just digit strings, not numbers. Another (silly) example: if you REALLY have a number, then it doesn't matter what base you write it in. The number four can be written as 4 in base ten, or as 100 in base two. If you write a zip code in anything other than base ten, it's not really a zip code anymore. Likewise, you can't add zip codes, nor subtract them, nor even meaningfully say that 11229 is more than 11228. You might as well use the letters A through J instead of the digits zero through nine, and suffer no serious inconvenience. And indeed, some countries use something like zip codes, except that they have letters and numbers, yet I would hesitate to say that Canadian zip codes are so fundamentally different from US zip codes that they deserve to be stored under a different data type. In conclusion, even you prefer a strong schema, a case can be made that zip codes should not be integers. Of course, that leaves open the question of what they should be, since most SQL databases have no built-in data type for digit sequences or anything similar. I have no answer to this and would personally just use integers anyway.
- Danihan 9y ago
  What's the issue with making them char(5) (or perhaps char(9) depending if you want to do zip+4)? That's what I've always done..
- wehere111 9y ago
  it's not 'a case can be made' - it's strictly incorrect to store zip codes as integers
- AlisdairO 9y ago
  Ah, I should have been clearer in my initial response. I actually have no opinion on whether zip codes are a number, as I'm from the UK and don't really know how they work :-). I was more responding to the idea that any numeric value you don't do calculations on should be stored as a bare string. I would be happy enough with a string that had a constraint limiting the string to characters [0-9], though (again, assuming the data in question is limited to those chars). On the whole, pgexercises punts on the data modelling aspect, as it's focused on teaching SQL instead - in some cases choosing deliberately bad schema design to make it easier to ask interesting questions. On reflection I'm not sure this was a good approach, but I'm far past the point where I have time/inclination to revisit it.
  - marvy 9y ago
    Ah; makes sense
detaro 9y ago
So you'd create a different table for international addresses, or have 2 zip code fields or ...?
Danihan 9y ago
Zip codes aren't numbers, they are numeric strings.