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Whoa $121k in Spain that's a superstar salary for a programmer there. Average for programmer according to glassdoor is 35,000 euro = ~42,000 usd.
by eagletusk 9y ago
Whoa $121k in Spain that's a superstar salary for a programmer there.
Average for programmer according to glassdoor is 35,000 euro = ~42,000 usd.
- kayoone 9y agoyeah thought the same. 100k USD is next to impossible for a web developer in Berlin for example, and salaries for devs in Barcelona are considerably lower than here, maybe a max of 80k USD. That guy is living like a king.
- tychver 9y agoBerlin is a bit odd because of the huge changes in the last few years in companies starting offices here and the influx of VC funding. SoundCloud for example, had a bunch of engineers earning around that. Probably all laid off now, though. There are companies on StackOverflow jobs openly advertising €80-90k for senior developers now, and occasionally over 100k for specialist roles like ML or performance sensitive development in C++.
- kayoone 9y agoyes i am sure those salaries are possible for certain specialties in high demand, but in this case we are talking about Senior Web Developers. I think for pure devs without a lead or other management role, it's hard to get more than 75k EUR or 90k USD, and in BCN i have the feeling it is at least 10k less.
- tychver 9y agoDid you check stack overflow jobs? What people are currently earning and what people are openly offering now has diverged quite a bit just in 18 months or so. It’s hurting the smaller companies with less budget and it’ll only get worse when Google opens their big office.
- kayoone 9y agoI have recently talked to some HR people and been looking myself, so that is just the feeling that i got. You mean the Google Campus in Kreuzberg ? Will they really employ a lot of people there ? Sounded more like something similar to the Factory
- pc86 9y agoIt seems odd that places in very low COL areas, particularly internationally, are getting 3-4x median salary for the same role, while places in rural/suburban US will be at or just slightly above median for that geo area.
- hocuspocus 9y agoI can't talk for Spain in particular but keep in mind that employer's social contributions can be pretty hefty in Europe. And working remote for an american company is opening a bag of hurt regarding taxes and banking. For instance that guy making $128k in Montpellier in France, that's €108k right now. Assuming he works 45 weeks that's a daily rate of 480€. Not crazy for an experienced developer.
- franciscop 9y agoAm I to believe that the cost of living in Spain are 85% of San Francisco? I am Spanish and it is nowhere near, it'd be more like 20-50% depending on where in Spain.
- dakics 9y agoApplause from Slovenia to Buffers' Croatian developer! I'm sad to see actual reduction with this new 3.0 salary scheme. One would also need to factor in another 10-12% loss this year, which is depreciation of USD vs. EUR (HRK)
- ryanwaggoner 9y agoEuropean software developers seem to be insultingly underpaid. I suspect it's more cultural than economic, and relates to the relative status of the profession in the EU. I know the total costs of an employee are higher in the EU, but are they really 2x - 4x? Top companies in the US offer pretty robust (expensive) benefits, including healthcare. What would make the total cost of a dev in the EU getting paid $42k equal to the total cost of a US employee getting $121k (and total cost of $150k - 175k)?
- kayoone 9y agoIn Germany employee costs are roughly 1.5x of gross, i would guess it's similar in Spain.
- ryanwaggoner 9y agoThat’s not drastically different from the US, especially where gross is under $100k.