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Another company that does open salary calculations is Gitlab: https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/developer/#co

Another company that does open salary calculations is Gitlab: https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/developer/#compensation https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/developer/#compensation (this is a random developer job, you can check out other positions @ https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/ https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/) Here's the feature ticket: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/issues/831 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/issues/831 Disclaimer: I don't work for Gitlab, but I am a pretty biased rabid fan.

celim307 9y ago
This is ~30% under market.
- noitsnot 9y ago
  Yes, that's what I get also. The calculator is way off. I can't imagine them holding employees for more than a few months or year.
pc86 9y ago
I'd love to work for Gitlab but it's a shame their salary ranges are insultingly below market. I'm a lead/senior developer right now. I could go to Gitlab with a promotion to manager and even at the top of the advertised range (my locale, manager, and "above average" experience which is generous) I'd be looking at a pay cut in the high teens as far as percentage. Senior developer with everything else the same is upwards of a 40% cut. That's just ridiculous and I have a feeling it's pushing away a lot of otherwise talented technical folks. I'm not even in an expensive locale (still eastern US though), I can't imagine they have anyone working from San Francisco using this formula. Edit: It seems the COL is pegged to NYC but averaged for the entire state if you're not in one of a few select major metros. Someone who lives in Atlanta will make the exact same as someone living in rural Georgia? Come on.
52-6F-62 9y ago
Not directly about GitLab, but concerning their calculator Comparing Toronto (and much of Canada) in that tool to elsewhere was kind of depressing. Especially as the average salaries I've been shown ritually start higher than most places are willing to offer. I find companies who build out those calculators usually work with the most conservative data. A big marker in their calculation was a rent price index given as a comparison to New York average prices as a benchmark. Some external data points to Toronto rents sitting around $1300 for a 900 sqft unit[0]. Local city data puts an average 1 bed unit at ~ $1800 - $1920 (~ 700 - 900 sqft) — this spans to areas outside of the downtown region.[1a,b] You can also easily pay much higher than average in Toronto, depending on which part of the city you're living in.[1c] Gitlab's NYC has a baseline index of 1 and Toronto with a rent index of 0.426. Brooklynn apartments come in around the same[2a,b] as /just slightly higher than Toronto. Am I missing something? The interpretation seems grossly flawed, and it's used as justification all over the map for lowering salaries, or keeping them low. Has anybody worked on the provability of this kind of data being used, and how? Taking an average rent across a metropolis seems to make all kinds of assumptions that aren't even close to real-world. Maybe it would be more honest to perform regular price-scrapes of apartment listing websites, putting together a custom index. Couple that with a model that looks at keywords, locations, and even photos for applying quality of life metric that could influence the outcome of the learning. I wouldn't expect every company running this program to put together something like that, but employing such a service would likely yield very different results, no? Can somebody with more experience in this area weigh in? --- [0] https://www.torontorentals.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/block_1-3.png https://www.torontorentals.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/block... [1a] http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rent-toronto-canada-1.4002899 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rent-toronto-canada-1.... [1b] https://blog.padmapper.com/canadian-rent-trends https://blog.padmapper.com/canadian-rent-trends [1c] https://condos.ca/toronto/yorkville https://condos.ca/toronto/yorkville [2a] https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/map-of-average-rent-by-nyc-neighborhood-is-as-depressing-as-youd-expect-082115 https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/map-of-average-rent-by-... [2b] http://blog.nakedapartments.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/misc/nyc-rents.gif http://blog.nakedapartments.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-con...
jandrewrogers 9y ago
The calculator has San Francisco at >60% higher pay than Seattle because of a "rent index". That's disconnected from reality.
peshooo 9y ago
For senior position, you get 150k USD more in SF than in Eastern Europe. The rent difference is not even close to 150k USD...
Balero 9y ago
Rubbish for the UK (Bristol) I was paid more straight out of uni than I would get now 4 years later.

celim307 9y ago

This is ~30% under market.

noitsnot 9y ago
Yes, that's what I get also. The calculator is way off. I can't imagine them holding employees for more than a few months or year.

pc86 9y ago

I'd love to work for Gitlab but it's a shame their salary ranges are insultingly below market. I'm a lead/senior developer right now. I could go to Gitlab with a promotion to manager and even at the top of the advertised range (my locale, manager, and "above average" experience which is generous) I'd be looking at a pay cut in the high teens as far as percentage. Senior developer with everything else the same is upwards of a 40% cut. That's just ridiculous and I have a feeling it's pushing away a lot of otherwise talented technical folks. I'm not even in an expensive locale (still eastern US though), I can't imagine they have anyone working from San Francisco using this formula. Edit: It seems the COL is pegged to NYC but averaged for the entire state if you're not in one of a few select major metros. Someone who lives in Atlanta will make the exact same as someone living in rural Georgia? Come on.

52-6F-62 9y ago

Not directly about GitLab, but concerning their calculator Comparing Toronto (and much of Canada) in that tool to elsewhere was kind of depressing. Especially as the average salaries I've been shown ritually start higher than most places are willing to offer. I find companies who build out those calculators usually work with the most conservative data. A big marker in their calculation was a rent price index given as a comparison to New York average prices as a benchmark. Some external data points to Toronto rents sitting around $1300 for a 900 sqft unit[0]. Local city data puts an average 1 bed unit at ~ $1800 - $1920 (~ 700 - 900 sqft) — this spans to areas outside of the downtown region.[1a,b] You can also easily pay much higher than average in Toronto, depending on which part of the city you're living in.[1c] Gitlab's NYC has a baseline index of 1 and Toronto with a rent index of 0.426. Brooklynn apartments come in around the same[2a,b] as /just slightly higher than Toronto. Am I missing something? The interpretation seems grossly flawed, and it's used as justification all over the map for lowering salaries, or keeping them low. Has anybody worked on the provability of this kind of data being used, and how? Taking an average rent across a metropolis seems to make all kinds of assumptions that aren't even close to real-world. Maybe it would be more honest to perform regular price-scrapes of apartment listing websites, putting together a custom index. Couple that with a model that looks at keywords, locations, and even photos for applying quality of life metric that could influence the outcome of the learning. I wouldn't expect every company running this program to put together something like that, but employing such a service would likely yield very different results, no? Can somebody with more experience in this area weigh in? --- [0] https://www.torontorentals.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/block_1-3.png https://www.torontorentals.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/block... [1a] http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rent-toronto-canada-1.4002899 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rent-toronto-canada-1.... [1b] https://blog.padmapper.com/canadian-rent-trends https://blog.padmapper.com/canadian-rent-trends [1c] https://condos.ca/toronto/yorkville https://condos.ca/toronto/yorkville [2a] https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/map-of-average-rent-by-nyc-neighborhood-is-as-depressing-as-youd-expect-082115 https://www.timeout.com/newyork/blog/map-of-average-rent-by-... [2b] http://blog.nakedapartments.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/misc/nyc-rents.gif http://blog.nakedapartments.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-con...

jandrewrogers 9y ago

The calculator has San Francisco at >60% higher pay than Seattle because of a "rent index". That's disconnected from reality.

peshooo 9y ago

For senior position, you get 150k USD more in SF than in Eastern Europe. The rent difference is not even close to 150k USD...

Balero 9y ago

Rubbish for the UK (Bristol) I was paid more straight out of uni than I would get now 4 years later.