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Several points on the question of whether the proof is likely to be correct: * As far as I know this paper wasn't circulated for informal peer review before be
by randomwalker 16y ago
Several points on the question of whether the proof is likely to be correct:
* As far as I know this paper wasn't circulated for informal peer review before being made public; I heard no talk on the grapevine. (Edit: apparently it was circulated and someone other than the author made it public.)
* Therefore a proper assessment is going to take a while. Until then we can only speculate :-)
* While the crank attempts at P =? NP are statistically much more common (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=347295 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=347295), this isn't one of them. The author is a legit computer scientist: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Vinay_Deolalikar/ http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Vinay_Deolalikar/
* On the other hand he hasn't published much on complexity theory and isn't known in that community. Which is weird but not necessarily a red flag.
* Looking at his papers, it's possible he's been working on this for about 5+ years -- he has two threads of research, basic and industrial, and the former line of publications dried up around 2004.
* On the other hand I don't think anyone knew he was working on this. The only known serious effort was by Ketan Mulmuley at U Chicago.
* It has been known that the straightforward combinatorial approaches to P =? NP aren't going to work, and therefore something out of left field was required (http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~gsarkozy/3133/p78-fortnow.pdf http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~gsarkozy/3133/p78-fortnow.pdf). Mulmuley's plan of attack involved algebraic geometry.
* This paper uses statistical physics. This approach doesn't seem to have been talked about much in the community; I found only one blog comment http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/how-to-solve-pnp/#comment-1260 http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/how-to-solve-pnp/#c... which mentions the survey propagation algorithm. (Deolalikar's paper also talks about it tangentially.)
* If the statistical physics method used here is powerful enough to resolve P != NP, then there's a good chance it is powerful enough to have led to many smaller results before the author was able to nail the big one. It's a little weird we haven't heard anything about that earlier.
* Finally, since the author is using physics-based methods, there's the possibility that he is using something that's a "theorem" in physics even though it is technically only a conjecture and hasn't actually been proven. Physicists are notorious for brushing technicalities under the rug. It would be very unlikely that the author didn't realize that, but still worth mentioning.
* If that is indeed what happened here, but the rest of the proof holds up, then we would be left with a reduction from P != NP to a physics conjecture, which could be very interesting but not ground breaking.
Conclusion: overall, it certainly looks superficially legit. But in non peer reviewed solutions of open problems there's always a high chance that there's a bug, which might or might not be fixable. Even Andrew Wiles's first attempt at FLT had one. So I wouldn't get too excited yet.
- pmiller2 16y agoThanks. I think you nailed just about every one of my concerns about this paper. I've only read the introduction, but if the rest of the paper can deliver what the first 16 pages promise, it looks like a winner to me. I suspect that if there's some problem hidden somewhere, it's a case of showing that some property or another of k-SAT holds almost always in the limit, but not being able to show that any specific instance of k-SAT has that property. And, if that's the case, it's probably a symptom of relying on one of those physics "theorems" you've mentioned. Color me cautiously optimistic, here.
- miloshh 16y agoVery good summary. Though I was just reading the synopsis, and the statistical physics part seems to be proven: "The 1RSB ansatz of statistical mechanics says that the space of solutions of random k-SAT shatters into exponentially many clusters of solutions when the clause density is sufficiently high. This phase is called 1dRSB (1- Step Dynamic Replica Symmetry Breaking) and was conjectured by physicists as part of the 1RSB ansatz. It has since been rigorously proved for high values of k. It demonstrates the properties of high correlation between large sets of variables that we will need." I did not dig into the references yet, though.
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 16y agoI'm not sure if it is or isn't weird that he hasn't published on complexity theory. I recall Gasarch publishing a poll in SIGACT where a handful of the researchers polled claimed that it'll be resolved by someone outside of the field. Regardless, from reading the synopsis of the proof, I'm skeptical to the point of disinterest. (I apologize for not providing a link -- but the only URL I was able to find from Google: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gasarch/papers/poll.pdf http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gasarch/papers/poll.pdf is broken.)
- tshtf 16y agoWhy are you skeptical of the proof to "the point of disinterest"? I would assume that a researcher with HP with a dual Ph.D.s from USC wouldn't haphazardly make such a claim.