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Hello HN! I am really excited to show you Classical Music Only, a social website dedicate to discover, listen and discuss classical music. I actually tried to d

Hello HN! I am really excited to show you Classical Music Only, a social website dedicate to discover, listen and discuss classical music. I actually tried to do a "show HN" thread 6 months ago when the first alpha release was published but somehow the link was dead and nobody saw it except me:D. Now the website is in beta phase and has become much more mature since first published. The website has many features that you can be interested in, among them: * Create classical music lists, listen to them and share them to the whole world * Ask for work recommendations and let the community answers you by adding and voting for classical works that are relevant to your question * Discover new works through personalized recommendations on your homepage, using the categorized basic lists filtered by periods, composers and genres or using community list * Open discussion and start debates about your favorite composers and works * Review classical works, read others' reviews * Discover the most favorited recordings for any classical work. Add your favorite recordings * Follow your friends and favorite users to see their posts on your homepage * See latest posts (discussions, reviews, recordings) of your followed composers on your customized homepage feed * Share stories, blogs and news about anything related to classical music * Listen to top works filtered by period, genre or composer. If you're bored, you can listen to a random masterpiece using a magic button on your homepage! I am really excited to read your feedbacks and happy to answer any question.

StavrosK 9y ago
Pretty long and off-topic shot, but would you (or anyone else) happen to know this piece? We've been looking for a name for years: https://soundcloud.com/stavrosk/unknown-piece-from-brewsters-millions https://soundcloud.com/stavrosk/unknown-piece-from-brewsters... On-topic, how can I listen to a performance? I clicked through to a few lists but haven't found any buttons to do that on the site.
- ocfnash 9y ago
  Have you tried writing down the Parsons Code [1] for the melody and searching against a large corpus? E.g., https://www.musipedia.org/melodic_contour.html https://www.musipedia.org/melodic_contour.html 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons_code
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    That's interesting, I'll do that now, thanks! EDIT: Not much luck :/
- brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
  It sounds like a Dvorak or Martinu trio or quartet. I'll look into it today. Brings up a pet peve for musicians-- why aren't musicians often credited in other media that uses their work? Sheesh!
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    Indeed, that's my peeve as well. This work wasn't credited anywhere in the credits, we even contacted movie staff and they didn't know. We contacted the cellist in the scene, and he said it was some random score he had with him, but he didn't have his old notes with him and couldn't find the piece in storage.
    - brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
      wait... you contacted the cellist???? wow, ok. I'm impressed with your research! Who was the cellist? That might help me. If it was something he had with him, it was more likely for a gig or a student. I did a quick check of all Dvorak Quartets- but didn't hit upon the passage. I chose Dvorak because of the pre-copland what would become the American vibe. Don't you think? The reason I don't think it's by Ry Cooder is because not in his composing purview- also not by a film composer there probably because would not want to be caught bringing in something from another gig, no? I'm sticking w Dvorak for the moment- I must have just missed the passage- major key at least...
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        It was Marston Smith: http://lordofthecello.com/ http://lordofthecello.com/ It's definitely not by Ry Cooder, we contacted him and he said he hadn't composed it. It sounds a lot like Glazunov, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_05mIC3BIBc#t=2m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_05mIC3BIBc#t=2m10s
        brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
        Glazunov is an excellent guess! I remember playing a student quartet by him when I was a student, and it totally had that modal parallel melodic/harmonic movement in 4ths and 5ths. It is so Dvorak though, minus his noodly viola jamz under the melody. Hint of Ravel, but not French enough- maybe Chopin too. Will be thinking on it this week. I'd like to hear the whole piece too now!Update: I just watched the first few seconds of your clip- and that is the exact piece I played as a student that reminded me of it as I mentioned above. Listening now.
- Gargoyle 9y ago
  Try r/classicalmusic and mention the reward. Lots of students and professionals there.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    Already did, no dice :/
    - Gargoyle 9y ago
      Hmm. Maybe try to contact someone at KUSC, the Los Angeles classical station. Particularly someone like Jim Svejda, who knows classical and film soundtracks inside and out. Maybe donate the reward to the station if they can id it. :-)
- p1esk 9y ago
  If you can produce a MIDI encoding of this piece, I can run it through a classifier trained on a large dataset of classical composers, and identify most similar pieces. Alternatively, you can ask someone who trains deep learning models on audio files, and has a large classical dataset.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    Hmm, I have the sheet music that someone transcribed, and an MP3 of the midi, but not the midi itself, and I don't know how to produce one :/ I will try to ask them for the midi and get back to you, thank you.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    The person who transcribed it was kind enough to send it to me, I'd be grateful if you could search for it: http://mormolyke.com/stuff/brewsters.mid http://mormolyke.com/stuff/brewsters.mid
    - p1esk 9y ago
      Ok, I will email you when I run it.
- Bud 9y ago
  Entirely possible that this isn't a piece at all. Sounds like it might be just a random toss-off $5 job by a hired hand.
ainiriand 9y ago
Congratulations! I am not able to access the site, it is blocked because of 'Secure Connection Failed' in Firefox 57.0.1.
- leephillips 9y ago
  Same version of Firefox here, and no problem. Site uses valid Let'sEncrypt certificate.
- ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
  How so? I am sure that the certificate is valid until next February. Do you have any issues with Let's Encrypt?
  - ainiriand 9y ago
    Turned out to be Firefox Trust Shop: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER?as=u&utm_source=inproduct#w_monitoringfiltering-in-corporate-networks https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-SEC_ERROR_...
ksvarma 9y ago
This is great and really classic! Many of the artists I never knew you interface is as easy as wikipedia. I really like it. Good luck!!
- ksvarma 9y ago
  Best part is I can play listen without registering - which is what most people like. :-)
  - galobtter 9y ago
    Well that seems to mostly be because it just seems like a website to categorize and discuss already uploaded youtube clips of music.
    - ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
      Hello galobtter! please have a second look at the website. Listening using YouTube is not the main feature of this website. It's just a tool that you can listen to some work without doing effort searching for it. You can also use it do listen to lists created by you, or others. Also you can listen to top works filtered by category, period, century or composer using it. However, the website is intended to be more of a social website so that you can discover new works, ask for recommendations, find top recordings for some work, discuss and review classical works
tmoravec 9y ago
Love to see this! As a classical music fan, I'm frustrated by how difficult it is to find good quality music online. Here's a couple of ideas how to improve the tool: * Links to Spotify, Deezer, et al. would be great (I particularly care about Deezer, because they offer(ed) the most comprehensive selection of classical music). * I'm missing interprets. Search for "Karajan" yields nothing, yet Karajan is a super important figure in classical music. The same for the orchestras, string quartets, etc. * Some people care about record labels, too. For example, I'd like to search specifically for DG, Decca and similar. * I understand that the world of classical music is enormous and you'll never get all music. Improving the library will be an ongoing challenge. For example, there is Dvorak's Piano Quintet no. 2, but no. 1 is not present. * I'm not sure I understand the UI. What belongs to the purple are at the top and what belongs to the white area below? I might come up with more ideas later. Hope this does not sound derisive, my points are just suggestions about how to take the tool further. It's fantastic that someone is working on this! Fingers crossed and keep up the great job!
- ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
  Thank you! I am really glad you like it > Links to Spotify, Deezer, et al I am planning to do that. However, Youtube will remain the default. I guess that Spotify has some limitiations (must be loggenot in, limitations outside the US, I doubt that many obscure works have recordings) > missing interprets. Search for "Karajan" yields nothing The search currently works for composers only. But it will expanded soon to musicians so you can see all recordings of a certain musician. > Some people care about record labels, too. For example, I'd like to search specifically for DG, Decca and similar This also shall be ready so you can filter recordings also by label. This is really a priority on my todo list > I'm not sure I understand the UI. What belongs to the purple are at the top and what belongs to the white area below? You mean inside composer/ work pages? The first one contains main info about the composer/work and some quick links to listen (top composer works - top genre works)/see work lists > Hope this does not sound derisive, my points are just suggestions about how to take the tool further. It's fantastic that someone is working on this! Fingers crossed and keep up the great job! Not at all, that's what Show HN is for! I am really happy that you like it
tmoravec 9y ago
Another suggestion: Add a "live" filter to show live recordings. I have a year and half old kid and while we generally don't watch TV, one exception is watching concerts. After we have exploited the "easy" tracks on YouTube like searching for "Wiener Philharmoniker" or "Berliner Philharmoniker", finding more decent quality live concerts is a huge challenge.
thorel 9y ago
It is very refreshing to see a website dedicated to classical music! Have you considered integrating with last.fm? At the very least scrobbling the listen history would be nice, but more advanced integration could be interesting to: synchronizing tags, etc.
JoeDaDude 9y ago
Classical music suffers from a glut of metadata upon which true fans rely. It's not enough to specify composer or piece. Classical music lovers will search for conductor, soloist, orchestra, or even a specific recording made by some orchestra in some year. See some discussion here [1]. If you can address a fraction of these, you will be way ahead of streaming services like spotify, etc. Other than that, the site looks great! [1] https://www.dailyrindblog.com/classical-music-metadata-101/ https://www.dailyrindblog.com/classical-music-metadata-101/
- JoeDaDude 9y ago
  To add one more discussion of classical metadata, see this from NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/04/411963624/why-cant-streaming-services-get-classical-music-right https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/04/411963624/...
- ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
  Thank you for adding this important point, this is a high priority on my todo list. We have already a basic database of major performers (conductors, soloists, etc...), we just need more computing resources so users can find recordings based filtered by performer. If you've got extra dollar you don't need, consider donating so you can help us with experimenting with features such as this one. But this is a top priority anyway. Thanks again for your feedback!
- kemiller 9y ago
  Yeah, this. I would totally pay for a high-nitrate, classical-only streaming service that would let you do as you describe, and also things like shuffle by groups, and foreign-language-aware voice search. All the available services are nearly unusable for classical.
tequila_shot 9y ago
I really LOVE your website. However, as a programmer, I listen to Classical during a) coding b) driving ; and for both of these activities, I already use CPR ( Colorado Public Radio)'s classical stream and it works great. So to me, I'd not use your website as much because I already have CPR. My two cents would be to do some market/consumer research to see if there are users who would use all the fantastic features above.
yazanator 9y ago
I love it! Such an awesome site. I like to listen to Classical playlists curated on Spotify because I don't want to go out and look for specific composers, etc. It would be cool to have something like that, where there's a main-stream/playlist that I can play whenever I log in without having to search for composer name, etc. Also, definitely integrate Spotify and SoundCloud if you can!
thomas 9y ago
Awesome site! Really like how it's build, how it works, etc. Any chance you'd do an explainer on how you built it, why you built it, etc? Sort of how indie hackers handles these things? I'd love to learn more.
- ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
  Thank you! I was planning to mention some technical details but I totally forgot! The website mainly uses Vue.js for frontend (which was a total pleasant experience for a somewhat not small project (12,000+ vue LOC)) and Python (Django) + Golang for backend. I really want to share my experience with the vue community. I was more than satisfied dealing with it on a daily basis.
  - thomas 9y ago
    OK great. And then is that Semantic UI?
    - ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
      Yes! Semantic UI is used but not fully, only a few but imortant css components like grid, container, input and separator. There's also some old jQuery dependency but is about to be removed since only the Ajax methods are used so it's irrelevant to use jQuery just for that.
plantsbeans 9y ago
On the page that asked me to star specific works, it only asked a few standard ones, and didn't include works from most of the composers that I had starred on the previous page.

StavrosK 9y ago

Pretty long and off-topic shot, but would you (or anyone else) happen to know this piece? We've been looking for a name for years: https://soundcloud.com/stavrosk/unknown-piece-from-brewsters-millions https://soundcloud.com/stavrosk/unknown-piece-from-brewsters... On-topic, how can I listen to a performance? I clicked through to a few lists but haven't found any buttons to do that on the site.

ocfnash 9y ago
Have you tried writing down the Parsons Code [1] for the melody and searching against a large corpus? E.g., https://www.musipedia.org/melodic_contour.html https://www.musipedia.org/melodic_contour.html 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsons_code
- StavrosK 9y ago
  That's interesting, I'll do that now, thanks! EDIT: Not much luck :/
brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
It sounds like a Dvorak or Martinu trio or quartet. I'll look into it today. Brings up a pet peve for musicians-- why aren't musicians often credited in other media that uses their work? Sheesh!
- StavrosK 9y ago
  Indeed, that's my peeve as well. This work wasn't credited anywhere in the credits, we even contacted movie staff and they didn't know. We contacted the cellist in the scene, and he said it was some random score he had with him, but he didn't have his old notes with him and couldn't find the piece in storage.
  - brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
    wait... you contacted the cellist???? wow, ok. I'm impressed with your research! Who was the cellist? That might help me. If it was something he had with him, it was more likely for a gig or a student. I did a quick check of all Dvorak Quartets- but didn't hit upon the passage. I chose Dvorak because of the pre-copland what would become the American vibe. Don't you think? The reason I don't think it's by Ry Cooder is because not in his composing purview- also not by a film composer there probably because would not want to be caught bringing in something from another gig, no? I'm sticking w Dvorak for the moment- I must have just missed the passage- major key at least...
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      It was Marston Smith: http://lordofthecello.com/ http://lordofthecello.com/ It's definitely not by Ry Cooder, we contacted him and he said he hadn't composed it. It sounds a lot like Glazunov, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_05mIC3BIBc#t=2m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_05mIC3BIBc#t=2m10s
      - brooklyn_ashey 9y ago
        Glazunov is an excellent guess! I remember playing a student quartet by him when I was a student, and it totally had that modal parallel melodic/harmonic movement in 4ths and 5ths. It is so Dvorak though, minus his noodly viola jamz under the melody. Hint of Ravel, but not French enough- maybe Chopin too. Will be thinking on it this week. I'd like to hear the whole piece too now!Update: I just watched the first few seconds of your clip- and that is the exact piece I played as a student that reminded me of it as I mentioned above. Listening now.
Gargoyle 9y ago
Try r/classicalmusic and mention the reward. Lots of students and professionals there.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  Already did, no dice :/
  - Gargoyle 9y ago
    Hmm. Maybe try to contact someone at KUSC, the Los Angeles classical station. Particularly someone like Jim Svejda, who knows classical and film soundtracks inside and out. Maybe donate the reward to the station if they can id it. :-)
p1esk 9y ago
If you can produce a MIDI encoding of this piece, I can run it through a classifier trained on a large dataset of classical composers, and identify most similar pieces. Alternatively, you can ask someone who trains deep learning models on audio files, and has a large classical dataset.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  Hmm, I have the sheet music that someone transcribed, and an MP3 of the midi, but not the midi itself, and I don't know how to produce one :/ I will try to ask them for the midi and get back to you, thank you.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  The person who transcribed it was kind enough to send it to me, I'd be grateful if you could search for it: http://mormolyke.com/stuff/brewsters.mid http://mormolyke.com/stuff/brewsters.mid
  - p1esk 9y ago
    Ok, I will email you when I run it.
Bud 9y ago
Entirely possible that this isn't a piece at all. Sounds like it might be just a random toss-off $5 job by a hired hand.

ainiriand 9y ago

Congratulations! I am not able to access the site, it is blocked because of 'Secure Connection Failed' in Firefox 57.0.1.

leephillips 9y ago
Same version of Firefox here, and no problem. Site uses valid Let'sEncrypt certificate.
ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
How so? I am sure that the certificate is valid until next February. Do you have any issues with Let's Encrypt?
- ainiriand 9y ago
  Turned out to be Firefox Trust Shop: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER?as=u&utm_source=inproduct#w_monitoringfiltering-in-corporate-networks https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-SEC_ERROR_...

ksvarma 9y ago

This is great and really classic! Many of the artists I never knew you interface is as easy as wikipedia. I really like it. Good luck!!

ksvarma 9y ago
Best part is I can play listen without registering - which is what most people like. :-)
- galobtter 9y ago
  Well that seems to mostly be because it just seems like a website to categorize and discuss already uploaded youtube clips of music.
  - ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
    Hello galobtter! please have a second look at the website. Listening using YouTube is not the main feature of this website. It's just a tool that you can listen to some work without doing effort searching for it. You can also use it do listen to lists created by you, or others. Also you can listen to top works filtered by category, period, century or composer using it. However, the website is intended to be more of a social website so that you can discover new works, ask for recommendations, find top recordings for some work, discuss and review classical works

tmoravec 9y ago

Love to see this! As a classical music fan, I'm frustrated by how difficult it is to find good quality music online. Here's a couple of ideas how to improve the tool: * Links to Spotify, Deezer, et al. would be great (I particularly care about Deezer, because they offer(ed) the most comprehensive selection of classical music). * I'm missing interprets. Search for "Karajan" yields nothing, yet Karajan is a super important figure in classical music. The same for the orchestras, string quartets, etc. * Some people care about record labels, too. For example, I'd like to search specifically for DG, Decca and similar. * I understand that the world of classical music is enormous and you'll never get all music. Improving the library will be an ongoing challenge. For example, there is Dvorak's Piano Quintet no. 2, but no. 1 is not present. * I'm not sure I understand the UI. What belongs to the purple are at the top and what belongs to the white area below? I might come up with more ideas later. Hope this does not sound derisive, my points are just suggestions about how to take the tool further. It's fantastic that someone is working on this! Fingers crossed and keep up the great job!

ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
Thank you! I am really glad you like it > Links to Spotify, Deezer, et al I am planning to do that. However, Youtube will remain the default. I guess that Spotify has some limitiations (must be loggenot in, limitations outside the US, I doubt that many obscure works have recordings) > missing interprets. Search for "Karajan" yields nothing The search currently works for composers only. But it will expanded soon to musicians so you can see all recordings of a certain musician. > Some people care about record labels, too. For example, I'd like to search specifically for DG, Decca and similar This also shall be ready so you can filter recordings also by label. This is really a priority on my todo list > I'm not sure I understand the UI. What belongs to the purple are at the top and what belongs to the white area below? You mean inside composer/ work pages? The first one contains main info about the composer/work and some quick links to listen (top composer works - top genre works)/see work lists > Hope this does not sound derisive, my points are just suggestions about how to take the tool further. It's fantastic that someone is working on this! Fingers crossed and keep up the great job! Not at all, that's what Show HN is for! I am really happy that you like it

tmoravec 9y ago

Another suggestion: Add a "live" filter to show live recordings. I have a year and half old kid and while we generally don't watch TV, one exception is watching concerts. After we have exploited the "easy" tracks on YouTube like searching for "Wiener Philharmoniker" or "Berliner Philharmoniker", finding more decent quality live concerts is a huge challenge.

thorel 9y ago

It is very refreshing to see a website dedicated to classical music! Have you considered integrating with last.fm? At the very least scrobbling the listen history would be nice, but more advanced integration could be interesting to: synchronizing tags, etc.

JoeDaDude 9y ago

Classical music suffers from a glut of metadata upon which true fans rely. It's not enough to specify composer or piece. Classical music lovers will search for conductor, soloist, orchestra, or even a specific recording made by some orchestra in some year. See some discussion here [1]. If you can address a fraction of these, you will be way ahead of streaming services like spotify, etc. Other than that, the site looks great! [1] https://www.dailyrindblog.com/classical-music-metadata-101/ https://www.dailyrindblog.com/classical-music-metadata-101/

JoeDaDude 9y ago
To add one more discussion of classical metadata, see this from NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/04/411963624/why-cant-streaming-services-get-classical-music-right https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/04/411963624/...
ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
Thank you for adding this important point, this is a high priority on my todo list. We have already a basic database of major performers (conductors, soloists, etc...), we just need more computing resources so users can find recordings based filtered by performer. If you've got extra dollar you don't need, consider donating so you can help us with experimenting with features such as this one. But this is a top priority anyway. Thanks again for your feedback!
kemiller 9y ago
Yeah, this. I would totally pay for a high-nitrate, classical-only streaming service that would let you do as you describe, and also things like shuffle by groups, and foreign-language-aware voice search. All the available services are nearly unusable for classical.

tequila_shot 9y ago

I really LOVE your website. However, as a programmer, I listen to Classical during a) coding b) driving ; and for both of these activities, I already use CPR ( Colorado Public Radio)'s classical stream and it works great. So to me, I'd not use your website as much because I already have CPR. My two cents would be to do some market/consumer research to see if there are users who would use all the fantastic features above.

yazanator 9y ago

I love it! Such an awesome site. I like to listen to Classical playlists curated on Spotify because I don't want to go out and look for specific composers, etc. It would be cool to have something like that, where there's a main-stream/playlist that I can play whenever I log in without having to search for composer name, etc. Also, definitely integrate Spotify and SoundCloud if you can!

thomas 9y ago

Awesome site! Really like how it's build, how it works, etc. Any chance you'd do an explainer on how you built it, why you built it, etc? Sort of how indie hackers handles these things? I'd love to learn more.

ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
Thank you! I was planning to mention some technical details but I totally forgot! The website mainly uses Vue.js for frontend (which was a total pleasant experience for a somewhat not small project (12,000+ vue LOC)) and Python (Django) + Golang for backend. I really want to share my experience with the vue community. I was more than satisfied dealing with it on a daily basis.
- thomas 9y ago
  OK great. And then is that Semantic UI?
  - ClassicalmOnly 9y ago
    Yes! Semantic UI is used but not fully, only a few but imortant css components like grid, container, input and separator. There's also some old jQuery dependency but is about to be removed since only the Ajax methods are used so it's irrelevant to use jQuery just for that.

plantsbeans 9y ago

On the page that asked me to star specific works, it only asked a few standard ones, and didn't include works from most of the composers that I had starred on the previous page.