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I'm glad you and the above poster have said this, I also feel very strongly that the web has been completely trapped by coorporate interests. I feel like the w

I'm glad you and the above poster have said this, I also feel very strongly that the web has been completely trapped by coorporate interests. I feel like the web as we know it should be abandoned to coorporations and people that want an open platform for knowledge sharing should start something new that has to stay open.

rusk 9y ago
This is the nub of the net neutrality argument for me. We don't need to "start something different" we just need to ensure that what's there can still be used for both corporations, and the public at large.
eloisant 9y ago
The web is fine, the "closed garden" experiences are in native apps ecosystems.
krapp 9y ago
>I also feel very strongly that the web has been completely trapped by coorporate interests. "corporate interests" haven't trapped the web. People are choosing to pretend that the web has somehow ceased to exist outside of a few silos, or that javascript has no purpose other than to further corporate or media interests, or that Facebook owns HTML now, but none of that is true. The web is just as open as it's ever been. Just because mainstream viewing habits tend to converge towards a few corporate owned social media sites does not mean the web has become owned by corporations, it just means people have gotten lazy and don't want to work to discover new content.
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  This is a joke, right? We are building drm into the browsers themselves now. We are letting companies tell people that "there is no way to access media, unless you go through our walled garden" and defending the company! The open web is farther gone than it's ever been.
  - krapp 9y ago
    I shouldn't have to point this out to someone on Hacker News but browsers are not the web. Facebook is not the web. Twitter is not the web. Not even Google is the web. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to use EME when they distribute media, and it certainly will no more be the case that all media will be forced through DRM and a walled garden than it ever was. The companies that will use this are the companies that would have used DRM anyway, just in another form. The web, as a whole, is unaffected.
    - CaptSpify 9y ago
      Wow, I've heard some bad arguments on here, but this one is great. Good work.
      - deleted 9y ago
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Flow 9y ago
We need something like BittorrentYouTube. Something that is somewhat indexed, content can be directly linked to, and there's no-one to control what can be there and what can not. Of course it will be a bit slower at startup times, but it's still faster than a video that has been removed in your country or removed due other arbitrary reasons.
Mindwipe 9y ago
There's nothing to stop you doing all the open platform knowledge sharing on the current web apart from lack of market share of the audience. How moving to a new, less popular distribution mechanism would make that any better is not clear to me.
narrator 9y ago
The only people who are actually serious about creating alternatives to major social media networks are alt-right (for lack of a better word) who have been banned from these services. Of all these alternatives, I think bitchute.com is really innovative in that it has a Bittorrent video viewer that solves the bandwidth usage problem by going p2p. Not a lot of stuff on there yet. For now, that site is mostly full of political content that would get banned, or at least demonitized, on YouTube. I have a hard time getting over the irony that the alt-right are going to be the ones to save the open Internet while the rest of Silicon Valley sits around and does nothing because they need to be protected by the machines of loving grace [1] that are the vast content moderation and filtering apparatus of the major social networks. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of_Loving_Grace https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines...
- icebraining 9y ago
  Bitchute.com is just another centralized system, that happens to offload some of their costs onto their users. Using webtorrent is cute, but no conceptually no different than what early Spotify did. They still control what you're allowed to see.

rusk 9y ago

This is the nub of the net neutrality argument for me. We don't need to "start something different" we just need to ensure that what's there can still be used for both corporations, and the public at large.

eloisant 9y ago

The web is fine, the "closed garden" experiences are in native apps ecosystems.

krapp 9y ago

>I also feel very strongly that the web has been completely trapped by coorporate interests. "corporate interests" haven't trapped the web. People are choosing to pretend that the web has somehow ceased to exist outside of a few silos, or that javascript has no purpose other than to further corporate or media interests, or that Facebook owns HTML now, but none of that is true. The web is just as open as it's ever been. Just because mainstream viewing habits tend to converge towards a few corporate owned social media sites does not mean the web has become owned by corporations, it just means people have gotten lazy and don't want to work to discover new content.

CaptSpify 9y ago
This is a joke, right? We are building drm into the browsers themselves now. We are letting companies tell people that "there is no way to access media, unless you go through our walled garden" and defending the company! The open web is farther gone than it's ever been.
- krapp 9y ago
  I shouldn't have to point this out to someone on Hacker News but browsers are not the web. Facebook is not the web. Twitter is not the web. Not even Google is the web. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to use EME when they distribute media, and it certainly will no more be the case that all media will be forced through DRM and a walled garden than it ever was. The companies that will use this are the companies that would have used DRM anyway, just in another form. The web, as a whole, is unaffected.
  - CaptSpify 9y ago
    Wow, I've heard some bad arguments on here, but this one is great. Good work.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]

Flow 9y ago

We need something like BittorrentYouTube. Something that is somewhat indexed, content can be directly linked to, and there's no-one to control what can be there and what can not. Of course it will be a bit slower at startup times, but it's still faster than a video that has been removed in your country or removed due other arbitrary reasons.

Mindwipe 9y ago

There's nothing to stop you doing all the open platform knowledge sharing on the current web apart from lack of market share of the audience. How moving to a new, less popular distribution mechanism would make that any better is not clear to me.

narrator 9y ago

The only people who are actually serious about creating alternatives to major social media networks are alt-right (for lack of a better word) who have been banned from these services. Of all these alternatives, I think bitchute.com is really innovative in that it has a Bittorrent video viewer that solves the bandwidth usage problem by going p2p. Not a lot of stuff on there yet. For now, that site is mostly full of political content that would get banned, or at least demonitized, on YouTube. I have a hard time getting over the irony that the alt-right are going to be the ones to save the open Internet while the rest of Silicon Valley sits around and does nothing because they need to be protected by the machines of loving grace [1] that are the vast content moderation and filtering apparatus of the major social networks. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of_Loving_Grace https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines...

icebraining 9y ago
Bitchute.com is just another centralized system, that happens to offload some of their costs onto their users. Using webtorrent is cute, but no conceptually no different than what early Spotify did. They still control what you're allowed to see.