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So HTML5 isn't a w3c spec?

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voidfiles 16y ago
You mean that when people use the word HTML5 they don't use it to mean the w3c spec, they mean it in the buzzword sense?
- Charuru 16y ago
  I mean I tried to define HTML5 in a way that's the most meaningful to most people.
necubi 16y ago
Yes it is, but the spec covers only a subset of what people are referring to when they say "HTML5." The official spec [1] outlines what is actually part of HTML5. This includes a bunch of stuff, like <video>, <audio> and <canvas>, but not the new javascript apis like local storage, drag and drop, web workers and web sockets, nor CSS3, nor SVG, etc. AJAX originally meant (as its name implies) the use of XMLHttpRequest to asynchronously load xml data from a server. However, it quickly became a buzz word that meant increased interactively on a web page outside of the page reload. HTML5 has similarly evolved from describing a limited set of new standards to describe a new way of building highly interactive, desktop-like web applications and encompasses a whole host of W3C standards, recommendations and working drafts. For some evidence that this expanded definition has become the norm, take a look at the HTML5 Test [2], which has been linked here several times. While not anything official, only a handful of the features tested are actually part of the HTML 5 spec. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100624/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100624/ [2] http://html5test.com/ http://html5test.com/
- masklinn 16y ago
  This discussion was, in fact, making the rounds of the standardistas a week or two ago (following the release of html5test). Not only did everybody agree with your assessment, but most of them thought it was good (only a few people such as Tantek are trying to make HTML5 refer only to the W3C HTML5 spec... they'll fail). As Chris Wilson insightfully put it: > HTML5 is now a brand, more than it is a specification. There are a variety of reasons for that, and a variety of persons “responsible” for that confusion, but the ship has sailed. See also: http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/01/html5-test/ http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/01/html5-test/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/ http://blog.codinginparadise.org/2010/06/why-im-going-to-keep-calling-it-html5.html http://blog.codinginparadise.org/2010/06/why-im-going-to-kee... http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/ http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/
masklinn 16y ago
Beyond a w3c spec, HTML5 is now a brand. An umbrella term for a number of related technologies which go far beyond the W3C spec called "HTML5" and includes CSS3, microdata, geolocation, local storage, JS remote communication, SVG, Canvas, ... We had that discussion with AJAX in the past. The one on the side of strict interpretation of the acronym failed. They'll fail again if they try to fight this one.
- MartinCron 16y ago
  The purists always win in theory. Pragmatists always win in practice.
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You mean that when people use the word HTML5 they don't use it to mean the w3c spec, they mean it in the buzzword sense?

Charuru 16y ago
I mean I tried to define HTML5 in a way that's the most meaningful to most people.

necubi 16y ago

Yes it is, but the spec covers only a subset of what people are referring to when they say "HTML5." The official spec [1] outlines what is actually part of HTML5. This includes a bunch of stuff, like <video>, <audio> and <canvas>, but not the new javascript apis like local storage, drag and drop, web workers and web sockets, nor CSS3, nor SVG, etc. AJAX originally meant (as its name implies) the use of XMLHttpRequest to asynchronously load xml data from a server. However, it quickly became a buzz word that meant increased interactively on a web page outside of the page reload. HTML5 has similarly evolved from describing a limited set of new standards to describe a new way of building highly interactive, desktop-like web applications and encompasses a whole host of W3C standards, recommendations and working drafts. For some evidence that this expanded definition has become the norm, take a look at the HTML5 Test [2], which has been linked here several times. While not anything official, only a handful of the features tested are actually part of the HTML 5 spec. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100624/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100624/ [2] http://html5test.com/ http://html5test.com/

masklinn 16y ago
This discussion was, in fact, making the rounds of the standardistas a week or two ago (following the release of html5test). Not only did everybody agree with your assessment, but most of them thought it was good (only a few people such as Tantek are trying to make HTML5 refer only to the W3C HTML5 spec... they'll fail). As Chris Wilson insightfully put it: > HTML5 is now a brand, more than it is a specification. There are a variety of reasons for that, and a variety of persons “responsible” for that confusion, but the ship has sailed. See also: http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/01/html5-test/ http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/01/html5-test/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/ http://blog.codinginparadise.org/2010/06/why-im-going-to-keep-calling-it-html5.html http://blog.codinginparadise.org/2010/06/why-im-going-to-kee... http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/ http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/

masklinn 16y ago

Beyond a w3c spec, HTML5 is now a brand. An umbrella term for a number of related technologies which go far beyond the W3C spec called "HTML5" and includes CSS3, microdata, geolocation, local storage, JS remote communication, SVG, Canvas, ... We had that discussion with AJAX in the past. The one on the side of strict interpretation of the acronym failed. They'll fail again if they try to fight this one.

MartinCron 16y ago
The purists always win in theory. Pragmatists always win in practice.
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