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At a minimum, normally when speaking of the other big mail providers, you wouldn’t get an explanation on a public forum at all. Especially because technical fo

At a minimum, normally when speaking of the other big mail providers, you wouldn’t get an explanation on a public forum at all. Especially because technical folks like us don’t know to communicate well, words can be misinterpreted, etc. It’s actually not a good strategy to respond to such concerns in public. Also in my opinion, people that make threats of leaving in public unless certain demands are met usually have their mind set already and can’t be swayed. As for never needing human assistance, never say never — if relying solely on your password manager, I hope you have a digital last will for your spouse or children.

dannysu 9y ago
I understand what you're saying, but I think perhaps we can agree that the current response is insufficient? Have you taken a look at the link I supplied above where FastMail wrote about how 2fa protection could be bypassed at Gandi? They were very specific and clear about the recommendations being implemented. Now, compare that to their current response. I think definitely the difference can be seen. This is serious stuff. And, I'm absolutely serious about never needing human assistance. I already have mechanism setup for my family to retrieve my digital assets should I disappear tomorrow. I worked on this together with my wife. I know most people have not thought about this and you're right in your skepticism, but I'm serious.
- bad_user 9y ago
  For what is worth, I’d also like a toggle in the settings to never involve human assistance. But we technical folks are very odd and I’m assuming they have users that really need human assistance. I do agree the response is insufficient, my point is that such discussions in public are dangerous for the company and it’s not the norm for company reps to give detailed explanations without prior preparations.
dannysu 9y ago
Oh, and also, I use my own domain on top of having a backup of my emails. What this means is that if all recovery options are not working and I'm actually locked out, I can fix it. I own the domain, I own my past emails, I can still get emails. Maybe I'll lose some emails for a day, but that's it. If I want to prove my identity to FastMail, I can also prove that I own the domain. But the point is, getting locked out of something as important as email is not gonna happen due to my screw-up. It's more likely for a support loophole to screw me over.

dannysu 9y ago

I understand what you're saying, but I think perhaps we can agree that the current response is insufficient? Have you taken a look at the link I supplied above where FastMail wrote about how 2fa protection could be bypassed at Gandi? They were very specific and clear about the recommendations being implemented. Now, compare that to their current response. I think definitely the difference can be seen. This is serious stuff. And, I'm absolutely serious about never needing human assistance. I already have mechanism setup for my family to retrieve my digital assets should I disappear tomorrow. I worked on this together with my wife. I know most people have not thought about this and you're right in your skepticism, but I'm serious.

bad_user 9y ago
For what is worth, I’d also like a toggle in the settings to never involve human assistance. But we technical folks are very odd and I’m assuming they have users that really need human assistance. I do agree the response is insufficient, my point is that such discussions in public are dangerous for the company and it’s not the norm for company reps to give detailed explanations without prior preparations.

dannysu 9y ago

Oh, and also, I use my own domain on top of having a backup of my emails. What this means is that if all recovery options are not working and I'm actually locked out, I can fix it. I own the domain, I own my past emails, I can still get emails. Maybe I'll lose some emails for a day, but that's it. If I want to prove my identity to FastMail, I can also prove that I own the domain. But the point is, getting locked out of something as important as email is not gonna happen due to my screw-up. It's more likely for a support loophole to screw me over.