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iPhone 4, if like me, you think user experience and ease of use are the most important factors in a device you use 20-30 time a day while on the go. Droid 2 on

by awolf 16y ago

iPhone 4, if like me, you think user experience and ease of use are the most important factors in a device you use 20-30 time a day while on the go. Droid 2 on verizon (out in about a month I believe) if you have philosophical objections to Apple or want freedom from syncing with your laptop. The original droid is still a great phone and was pretty well designed. Droid 2 will have better hardware and battery life than the original while keeping the same design.

ergo98 16y ago
>Droid 2 on verizon (out in about a month I believe) if you have philosophical objections to Apple ...or if you want a professionally functional notification system, or widgets, or strong universal voice support, or... Seriously, whenever someone starts in with "philosophical objection" they're propping up a garbage strawman. I choose Android because, in a hundred and one ways, it provides me a more usable, more powerful, more useful device.
- awolf 16y ago
  Having used both in real life and for development my OPINION is that iPhone if far and away the best device on the market. A lot of people I associate with who own Android phones agree with me yet they tell me they refuse support Apple's policies and are voting with their dollar. And I completely understand their view point. Do you?
  - ergo98 16y ago
    >Having used both in real life and for development my OPINION is that iPhone if far and away the best device on the market. And, having used both devices in real life and for development, the Nexus One is the best device on the market (if the Galaxy S Pro had 2.2, I'd easily choose it as the market leader). In fact after using an Android device for a while, and trying to go back to an iPhone 4 for a while, the completely gimped notification system (which, to me, is the #1 requirement of a smartphone), and the lack of widgets, made it feel absolutely crippled. So where does that leave us? Sounds like a couple of people with opinions. Saying that the iPhone is the best and people who choose otherwise do so for philosophical reasons is absolute garbage, and you're just messaging your own ego and choices, betraying a fundamental insecurity. I choose Android because it's, "far and away", the best platform in my opinion.
    - scott_s 16y ago
      You called the original poster out on making an absolute statement, and he clarified it was his experience, gathered from the people he knew. The first sentence in your final paragraph seems to deliberately disregard what he said to maintain outrage.
      - ergo98 16y ago
        >You called the original poster out on making an absolute statement No, I didn't. I called them out for stereotyping why someone would choose something other than the iPhone. It's akin to saying "The Nexus One is the best device, but I can understand that if you're gay, a follower, or strongly susceptible to marketing pressure, the iPhone might be a better device for you". (You know, instead of finding it to be the right device for them) The outrage is about the strawman.
        scott_s 16y ago
        In this context, I don't see how "making an absolute statement" is significantly different from stereotyping someone. He owned up to it and clarified where he felt his point applied. I now understand that he meant to say that among the people he knows, they consider the iPhone the better choice objectively, but some choose Android for ethical reasons. I don't see why you don't see that as well.
    - awolf 16y ago
      Come on, this is a discussion not a flamewar. Let's share our opinions and keep it constructive.
- rimantas 16y ago
  And in other hundred and one way iPhone is more useable, powerful and useful. Which set of ways one chooses sometimes boils down to "philosophy".
  - sandipc 16y ago
    that would be a person's philosophy regarding smartphones and how that person uses them, not with respect to an entire company (Apple)
frossie 16y ago
OP mentioned being a Linux user. The iPhone, lovely as it may be, is a non-starter without access to a Windows or MacOS machine, at least to set it up. If you are willing to forego backups and your stuff lives in the cloud, you can make do after the intial startup. But really, Uncle Steve needs to give us the ability to use an iPhone without an iTunes computer.
- angusgr 16y ago
  +1. A few months ago I transitioned from OS X to Linux at home, without expecting that it would make my iPhone 3GS so much less nice to own. It's being replaced with an Android phone as soon as it comes out of contract. There's nothing wrong with it as a phone, but it's at its best only when it's integrated with iTunes on the desktop.

by awolf 16y ago

ergo98 16y ago

>Droid 2 on verizon (out in about a month I believe) if you have philosophical objections to Apple ...or if you want a professionally functional notification system, or widgets, or strong universal voice support, or... Seriously, whenever someone starts in with "philosophical objection" they're propping up a garbage strawman. I choose Android because, in a hundred and one ways, it provides me a more usable, more powerful, more useful device.

awolf 16y ago
Having used both in real life and for development my OPINION is that iPhone if far and away the best device on the market. A lot of people I associate with who own Android phones agree with me yet they tell me they refuse support Apple's policies and are voting with their dollar. And I completely understand their view point. Do you?
- ergo98 16y ago
  >Having used both in real life and for development my OPINION is that iPhone if far and away the best device on the market. And, having used both devices in real life and for development, the Nexus One is the best device on the market (if the Galaxy S Pro had 2.2, I'd easily choose it as the market leader). In fact after using an Android device for a while, and trying to go back to an iPhone 4 for a while, the completely gimped notification system (which, to me, is the #1 requirement of a smartphone), and the lack of widgets, made it feel absolutely crippled. So where does that leave us? Sounds like a couple of people with opinions. Saying that the iPhone is the best and people who choose otherwise do so for philosophical reasons is absolute garbage, and you're just messaging your own ego and choices, betraying a fundamental insecurity. I choose Android because it's, "far and away", the best platform in my opinion.
  - scott_s 16y ago
    You called the original poster out on making an absolute statement, and he clarified it was his experience, gathered from the people he knew. The first sentence in your final paragraph seems to deliberately disregard what he said to maintain outrage.
    - ergo98 16y ago
      >You called the original poster out on making an absolute statement No, I didn't. I called them out for stereotyping why someone would choose something other than the iPhone. It's akin to saying "The Nexus One is the best device, but I can understand that if you're gay, a follower, or strongly susceptible to marketing pressure, the iPhone might be a better device for you". (You know, instead of finding it to be the right device for them) The outrage is about the strawman.
      - scott_s 16y ago
        In this context, I don't see how "making an absolute statement" is significantly different from stereotyping someone. He owned up to it and clarified where he felt his point applied. I now understand that he meant to say that among the people he knows, they consider the iPhone the better choice objectively, but some choose Android for ethical reasons. I don't see why you don't see that as well.
  - awolf 16y ago
    Come on, this is a discussion not a flamewar. Let's share our opinions and keep it constructive.
rimantas 16y ago
And in other hundred and one way iPhone is more useable, powerful and useful. Which set of ways one chooses sometimes boils down to "philosophy".
- sandipc 16y ago
  that would be a person's philosophy regarding smartphones and how that person uses them, not with respect to an entire company (Apple)

frossie 16y ago

OP mentioned being a Linux user. The iPhone, lovely as it may be, is a non-starter without access to a Windows or MacOS machine, at least to set it up. If you are willing to forego backups and your stuff lives in the cloud, you can make do after the intial startup. But really, Uncle Steve needs to give us the ability to use an iPhone without an iTunes computer.

angusgr 16y ago
+1. A few months ago I transitioned from OS X to Linux at home, without expecting that it would make my iPhone 3GS so much less nice to own. It's being replaced with an Android phone as soon as it comes out of contract. There's nothing wrong with it as a phone, but it's at its best only when it's integrated with iTunes on the desktop.