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> Americans get so upset about this because they've come to believe that free road usage and free parking are fundamental rights. They're not. This is such an

> Americans get so upset about this because they've come to believe that free road usage and free parking are fundamental rights. They're not. This is such an odd portrayal of Americans. Americans (compared to the rest of the world) are routinely lambasted for being too concerned about the cost of government-provided services and infrastructure compared to the rest of the developed world. Besides, Americans grow up learning, "Driving is a privilege; not a right". I'm guessing you're basing your generalization on a handful of out-of-touch Americans.

TulliusCicero 9y ago
Oh, wish that it were so, friend. But I'm American, and have lived in the bay area, Seattle, Utah, NYC, and Alabama. And it's completely accurate. Americans think driving is a privilege? Please, then why are judges so reluctant to take away licenses from people for reckless driving or DUIs compared to other developed countries? As a transportation and land use nerd, I've seen over and over again how people in the states react to parking being reduced: with fury. Especially when it's "their" parking (read: public parking that they've become used to). Take away a parking lane to make room for buses or bikes in a growing major city? WAR ON CARS!!
- weberc2 9y ago
  > Oh, wish that it were so, friend. But I'm American, and have lived in the bay area, Seattle, Utah, NYC, and Alabama. I'm an American too :). "Driving is a privilege" is covered on the first day of every driver's education course. > Please, then why are judges so reluctant to take away licenses from people for reckless driving or DUIs compared to other developed countries? Because the United States has comparably poor public transit infrastructure and the vast majority depend on driving for their basic livelihood. > As a transportation and land use nerd, I've seen over and over again how people in the states react to parking being reduced: with fury. Especially when it's "their" parking (read: public parking that they've become used to). Take away a parking lane to make room for buses or bikes in a growing major city? WAR ON CARS!! I've lived all over the U.S. and Europe and people definitely crab about inconveniences of all kinds. Americans are more attached to cars (and largely for good reason--there aren't better options in most places). I've never heard "war on cars".
  - TulliusCicero 9y ago
    > I'm an American too :). "Driving is a privilege" is covered on the first day of every driver's education course. Actions speaker louder than words. If driving was actually a privilege rather than a right, we'd be quick to revoke it on bad behavior, and we wouldn't enshrine car-first street and road design everywhere. > Because the United States has comparably poor public transit infrastructure and the vast majority depend on driving for their basic livelihood. You realize that right here, you're explaining why it's a right, not disputing that it is a right, yes? By your own admission now, we treat it as a right. Yes, our very built environment enforces driving as a right. And whose idea was it to create communities where one was required to drive to live a normal life? Did we arrive in North America with wide roads and parking lots already laid out on the earth? > Americans are more attached to cars (and largely for good reason--there aren't better options in most places). Yes, we collectively decided to become attached to cars, because we saw them as a better way. And for some things they are, but there's a rather long list of negative side effects that have come along with our love affair. > I've never heard "war on cars". It most frequently pops up anywhere there's a serious movement to rebalance transportation towards a mix of modes, rather than focusing solely on private automobiles. Here's some examples: - https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/warvauto.pdf https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/warvauto.pdf - http://www.economist.com/node/1155093 http://www.economist.com/node/1155093 - https://mises.org/library/war-cars-war-workers-and-poor https://mises.org/library/war-cars-war-workers-and-poor - http://www.heritage.org/transportation/report/washingtons-war-cars-and-the-suburbs-secretary-lahoods-false-claims-roads-and http://www.heritage.org/transportation/report/washingtons-wa... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Lo0ieyQtQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Lo0ieyQtQ - http://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-torontos-war-on-the-car-is-almost-50-years-old http://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-torontos-... - http://www.qchron.com/opinion/editorial/war-on-cars-also-a-war-on-business/article_946f7e27-aac5-5e46-903a-12673a06d7f1.html http://www.qchron.com/opinion/editorial/war-on-cars-also-a-w... Having lived in Seattle, it's definitely something that's popped up a lot recently as the city has been adding bike lanes and investing heavily in transit, e.g. https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/citys-vision-for-a-carless-seattle-doesnt-match-reality/ https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/citys-vision-for-a-carl...
    - 9y ago

TulliusCicero 9y ago

Oh, wish that it were so, friend. But I'm American, and have lived in the bay area, Seattle, Utah, NYC, and Alabama. And it's completely accurate. Americans think driving is a privilege? Please, then why are judges so reluctant to take away licenses from people for reckless driving or DUIs compared to other developed countries? As a transportation and land use nerd, I've seen over and over again how people in the states react to parking being reduced: with fury. Especially when it's "their" parking (read: public parking that they've become used to). Take away a parking lane to make room for buses or bikes in a growing major city? WAR ON CARS!!

weberc2 9y ago
> Oh, wish that it were so, friend. But I'm American, and have lived in the bay area, Seattle, Utah, NYC, and Alabama. I'm an American too :). "Driving is a privilege" is covered on the first day of every driver's education course. > Please, then why are judges so reluctant to take away licenses from people for reckless driving or DUIs compared to other developed countries? Because the United States has comparably poor public transit infrastructure and the vast majority depend on driving for their basic livelihood. > As a transportation and land use nerd, I've seen over and over again how people in the states react to parking being reduced: with fury. Especially when it's "their" parking (read: public parking that they've become used to). Take away a parking lane to make room for buses or bikes in a growing major city? WAR ON CARS!! I've lived all over the U.S. and Europe and people definitely crab about inconveniences of all kinds. Americans are more attached to cars (and largely for good reason--there aren't better options in most places). I've never heard "war on cars".
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  > I'm an American too :). "Driving is a privilege" is covered on the first day of every driver's education course. Actions speaker louder than words. If driving was actually a privilege rather than a right, we'd be quick to revoke it on bad behavior, and we wouldn't enshrine car-first street and road design everywhere. > Because the United States has comparably poor public transit infrastructure and the vast majority depend on driving for their basic livelihood. You realize that right here, you're explaining why it's a right, not disputing that it is a right, yes? By your own admission now, we treat it as a right. Yes, our very built environment enforces driving as a right. And whose idea was it to create communities where one was required to drive to live a normal life? Did we arrive in North America with wide roads and parking lots already laid out on the earth? > Americans are more attached to cars (and largely for good reason--there aren't better options in most places). Yes, we collectively decided to become attached to cars, because we saw them as a better way. And for some things they are, but there's a rather long list of negative side effects that have come along with our love affair. > I've never heard "war on cars". It most frequently pops up anywhere there's a serious movement to rebalance transportation towards a mix of modes, rather than focusing solely on private automobiles. Here's some examples: - https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/warvauto.pdf https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/warvauto.pdf - http://www.economist.com/node/1155093 http://www.economist.com/node/1155093 - https://mises.org/library/war-cars-war-workers-and-poor https://mises.org/library/war-cars-war-workers-and-poor - http://www.heritage.org/transportation/report/washingtons-war-cars-and-the-suburbs-secretary-lahoods-false-claims-roads-and http://www.heritage.org/transportation/report/washingtons-wa... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Lo0ieyQtQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Lo0ieyQtQ - http://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-torontos-war-on-the-car-is-almost-50-years-old http://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-torontos-... - http://www.qchron.com/opinion/editorial/war-on-cars-also-a-war-on-business/article_946f7e27-aac5-5e46-903a-12673a06d7f1.html http://www.qchron.com/opinion/editorial/war-on-cars-also-a-w... Having lived in Seattle, it's definitely something that's popped up a lot recently as the city has been adding bike lanes and investing heavily in transit, e.g. https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/citys-vision-for-a-carless-seattle-doesnt-match-reality/ https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/citys-vision-for-a-carl...
  - 9y ago