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California is the insane state with created the taxes. The government is trying to simplify the tax code, that means you should be able to say: "I'm taxed at 15

California is the insane state with created the taxes. The government is trying to simplify the tax code, that means you should be able to say: "I'm taxed at 15%, and that means out of $100k you get $85k take home" Not all the deductions. I'm not really, for or against this bill. I used to live in Alameda, CA and thought the taxes were insane. The bag tax, the income tax, the property tax, literally if you didn't have deductions out of $100k you might have a $30k take home. That's the crazy part. Perhaps we should rethink the government being the biggest employer, and actually make taxes simple and uniform.

cortesoft 9y ago
> literally if you didn't have deductions out of $100k you might have a $30k take home. That is just not true. Up until very recently, I had ZERO deductions I could take. I made over $100k in San Francisco and my take home was about 65% of my income.
- EgoIncarnate 9y ago
  If you paid state income tax, you should have been able to deduct that at the very least (probably around 6k, or about the same as the standard deduction).
  - Aloha 9y ago
    which makes it not worth the paperwork effort to do so.
    - mmanfrin 9y ago
      Are you kidding me? $6k deductions is about $2k in rebates. A $150 accountant fee would take care of any paperwork. Taxes aren't that fucking hard.
      - Aloha 9y ago
        6k in deductions is equal to the standard deduction
    - tzs 9y ago
      The effort is something like filling in one line, adding up a handful of numbers, copying the result to another line, selecting which of two numbers is larger and copying that one to another line. That hardly even merits the word "effort"...and if you are using tax prep software instead of filling out the forms by hand it isn't even that...it's just entering one number in one field.
      - Aloha 9y ago
        why would you file itemized when your deductions are less than the standard deduction?
  - cortesoft 9y ago
    I would always try to itemize my deductions, but every time the standard deduction always ended up being more.
mikedouglas 9y ago
Simplification is a red herring (notice how corporate state taxes are still deductible). Republicans needed a pay-for for reducing corporate/passthrough taxes and eliminating the estate tax. It just so happens that high wage earners in high tax states tend to be Democrats.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> The government is trying to simplify the tax code False; the tax reform creates a whole host of new targeted tax breaks; it's not about simplification, just moving the tax burden. And, in net, moving it to the poor.
tzs 9y ago
Reducing the number of brackets and removing a few of the simplest deductions while mostly leaving untouched or even increasing the hundreds or thousands of deductions that are generally only usable by companies and very wealthy people is not in any meaningful way simplifying the tax code.
prostoalex 9y ago
Good luck, every single prop aimed at raising the California income taxes passed overwhelmingly. The financial bind of those who make $200,000 and live in SF is not quite shared by voters in San Bernardino, Sacramento or even east LA. It might also turn out that the pension plans for state employees, teachers, prison guards and police have been underperforming, and unless those pension funds loaded up on Bitcoin at the right time, the California taxpayers are on the hook to make up the difference. There’s a silver lining, of course - once the high-speed rail is completed, the ticket revenues for the masses excited to go between LA and SF will surely pay for everything.
- kamaal 9y ago
  >>It might also turn out that the pension plans for state employees, teachers, prison guards and police have been underperforming More like they award themselves pensions that can be funded through these means. For eg: http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/01/bart-janitor-grossed-270k-in-pay-and-benefits-last-year/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/01/bart-janitor-grossed-2... There are many such articles written over the years, including those by Arnold Schwarzenegger, about the impossibility of paying pensions the tune to half a million dollars a year per person, for decades(Given how long people live these days). Unions graciously award over time to employees to inflate their net compensation package in the last few years(as that is what decides the pensions). Even productive people, who are at the peak of their performance struggle to make $500K/year. Paying that kind of cash for every single person disproportionate to the value they create/created is possible by only one means- Taxes.
kamaal 9y ago
>>Perhaps we should rethink the government being the biggest employer, and actually make taxes simple and uniform. And pensions. Pretty much bulk of the tax money collected goes out to pay pensions and various other social security benefits, which people awarded themselves way back in time assuming the coming generations will happily pay for with taxes. Nobody and nothing can satisfy people who think they are entitled to free money.

cortesoft 9y ago

> literally if you didn't have deductions out of $100k you might have a $30k take home. That is just not true. Up until very recently, I had ZERO deductions I could take. I made over $100k in San Francisco and my take home was about 65% of my income.

EgoIncarnate 9y ago
If you paid state income tax, you should have been able to deduct that at the very least (probably around 6k, or about the same as the standard deduction).
- Aloha 9y ago
  which makes it not worth the paperwork effort to do so.
  - mmanfrin 9y ago
    Are you kidding me? $6k deductions is about $2k in rebates. A $150 accountant fee would take care of any paperwork. Taxes aren't that fucking hard.
    - Aloha 9y ago
      6k in deductions is equal to the standard deduction
  - tzs 9y ago
    The effort is something like filling in one line, adding up a handful of numbers, copying the result to another line, selecting which of two numbers is larger and copying that one to another line. That hardly even merits the word "effort"...and if you are using tax prep software instead of filling out the forms by hand it isn't even that...it's just entering one number in one field.
    - Aloha 9y ago
      why would you file itemized when your deductions are less than the standard deduction?
- cortesoft 9y ago
  I would always try to itemize my deductions, but every time the standard deduction always ended up being more.

mikedouglas 9y ago

Simplification is a red herring (notice how corporate state taxes are still deductible). Republicans needed a pay-for for reducing corporate/passthrough taxes and eliminating the estate tax. It just so happens that high wage earners in high tax states tend to be Democrats.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> The government is trying to simplify the tax code False; the tax reform creates a whole host of new targeted tax breaks; it's not about simplification, just moving the tax burden. And, in net, moving it to the poor.

tzs 9y ago

Reducing the number of brackets and removing a few of the simplest deductions while mostly leaving untouched or even increasing the hundreds or thousands of deductions that are generally only usable by companies and very wealthy people is not in any meaningful way simplifying the tax code.

prostoalex 9y ago

Good luck, every single prop aimed at raising the California income taxes passed overwhelmingly. The financial bind of those who make $200,000 and live in SF is not quite shared by voters in San Bernardino, Sacramento or even east LA. It might also turn out that the pension plans for state employees, teachers, prison guards and police have been underperforming, and unless those pension funds loaded up on Bitcoin at the right time, the California taxpayers are on the hook to make up the difference. There’s a silver lining, of course - once the high-speed rail is completed, the ticket revenues for the masses excited to go between LA and SF will surely pay for everything.

kamaal 9y ago
>>It might also turn out that the pension plans for state employees, teachers, prison guards and police have been underperforming More like they award themselves pensions that can be funded through these means. For eg: http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/01/bart-janitor-grossed-270k-in-pay-and-benefits-last-year/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/01/bart-janitor-grossed-2... There are many such articles written over the years, including those by Arnold Schwarzenegger, about the impossibility of paying pensions the tune to half a million dollars a year per person, for decades(Given how long people live these days). Unions graciously award over time to employees to inflate their net compensation package in the last few years(as that is what decides the pensions). Even productive people, who are at the peak of their performance struggle to make $500K/year. Paying that kind of cash for every single person disproportionate to the value they create/created is possible by only one means- Taxes.

kamaal 9y ago

>>Perhaps we should rethink the government being the biggest employer, and actually make taxes simple and uniform. And pensions. Pretty much bulk of the tax money collected goes out to pay pensions and various other social security benefits, which people awarded themselves way back in time assuming the coming generations will happily pay for with taxes. Nobody and nothing can satisfy people who think they are entitled to free money.