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If you have not done so, check out the documentary “Icarus” on Netflix. Many of the characters in this story appear there; one of them is now in FBI witness p

If you have not done so, check out the documentary “Icarus” on Netflix. Many of the characters in this story appear there; one of them is now in FBI witness protection.

dgritsko 9y ago
One of the best documentaries I have ever watched, I was riveted from start to finish.
- kodablah 9y ago
  I was not. I was only riveted from the halfway point to finish. For anyone that does watch it, don't give up based on the first half alone which is more about biking and only tangentially related to the actual Olympic scandal.
  - hprotagonist 9y ago
    I'm a cyclist so the first bit was interesting enough. More interesting in retrospect, from a film nerd perspective, is to watch for the moments where you can tell he changed the entire direction of the film. I think i was about 10 minutes in or so when it occurred to me that things were moving pretty quickly if this was going to be a feature length documentary about self-doping.
otakucode 9y ago
Yes, that was an amazing documentary. Certainly not what I expected when going in. It makes me think that this is a laughably minor 'punishment.' Ban Russia from all Olympic events, Winter and especially Summer (the one people actually watch) for 40 years or until Putin and his cronies are no longer in office. Simple. They've been doing this since the late 1960s, so should be suspended at least as long or at least until they have gotten rid of the people responsible. Anything less is simply nonsense. Who would think that they would take a single sitting-out of the Winter games as their punishment and not immediately re-dedicate themselves to cheating as aggressively as they can? The sad thing is that I am sure there are plenty of very capable Russian athletes caught up in all of this, and their achievements are completely unreliable because for all anyone can tell they would have lost handily every medal attained since the late 60s if not for cheating.

If you have not done so, check out the documentary “Icarus” on Netflix. Many of the characters in this story appear there; one of them is now in FBI witness protection.

dgritsko 9y ago

One of the best documentaries I have ever watched, I was riveted from start to finish.

kodablah 9y ago
I was not. I was only riveted from the halfway point to finish. For anyone that does watch it, don't give up based on the first half alone which is more about biking and only tangentially related to the actual Olympic scandal.
- hprotagonist 9y ago
  I'm a cyclist so the first bit was interesting enough. More interesting in retrospect, from a film nerd perspective, is to watch for the moments where you can tell he changed the entire direction of the film. I think i was about 10 minutes in or so when it occurred to me that things were moving pretty quickly if this was going to be a feature length documentary about self-doping.

otakucode 9y ago

Yes, that was an amazing documentary. Certainly not what I expected when going in. It makes me think that this is a laughably minor 'punishment.' Ban Russia from all Olympic events, Winter and especially Summer (the one people actually watch) for 40 years or until Putin and his cronies are no longer in office. Simple. They've been doing this since the late 1960s, so should be suspended at least as long or at least until they have gotten rid of the people responsible. Anything less is simply nonsense. Who would think that they would take a single sitting-out of the Winter games as their punishment and not immediately re-dedicate themselves to cheating as aggressively as they can? The sad thing is that I am sure there are plenty of very capable Russian athletes caught up in all of this, and their achievements are completely unreliable because for all anyone can tell they would have lost handily every medal attained since the late 60s if not for cheating.