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> didn't mention San Francisco, Seattle, New York or Los Angeles which have all been run by Democrats for decades. Are you really citing SF, New York, and Los

> didn't mention San Francisco, Seattle, New York or Los Angeles which have all been run by Democrats for decades. Are you really citing SF, New York, and Los Angeles as success stories. Those areas have some of the highest rates of homelessness in the US. In addition to the run away costs of living in those cities, they are certainly not models for success. Those examples don't help your argument...

supplied_demand 9y ago
I am citing them as places that are not "failing inner cities with bad schools and high crime rates have been run by democrats for decades." as OP claimed. Chicago doesn't fall into that category either, but that is a discussion for another day. Bringing up cost-of-living or homelessness is simply moving the goalposts from the original claim. The focus of my post was that it seems clear that economics is what forced those cities to crash. Look at Rust Belt cities (Milwaukee, Cleveland, Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, Gary) and you will find significant population decline and high crime rates. Trying to make it a political discussion brings in personal bias.
- PatientTrades 9y ago
  > I am citing them as places that are not "failing inner cities" with high crime rates Where are you getting your data? SF has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. Also Los Angeles homicide rate is up 24 percent compared to last year. Etc... Those cities still don't help your case....
- sedtrader 9y ago
  > The focus of my post was that it seems clear that economics is what forced those cities to crash. Economic policies from politicians influence economics. If policies are bad for business, jobs will leave, crime will rise and populations will decline. Economics don't happen in a vacuum. Most if not all of those declining cities have been consistently run by democrats
  - supplied_demand 9y ago
    >Most if not all of those declining cities have been consistently run by democrats And so have most of the growing, thriving cities. Individual cities have very little say in global economic shifts. We are seeing this same story play out in Republican-controlled rural areas. First some jobs leave (outsource or automation), then laborforce participation declines, next we see drug use increase, which makes more people unemployable, as a result employers leave the area and more jobs are lost. Then you go back to step 1 and re-run. Trying to cast everything in a partisan light may be blinding you to the similarities.

supplied_demand 9y ago

I am citing them as places that are not "failing inner cities with bad schools and high crime rates have been run by democrats for decades." as OP claimed. Chicago doesn't fall into that category either, but that is a discussion for another day. Bringing up cost-of-living or homelessness is simply moving the goalposts from the original claim. The focus of my post was that it seems clear that economics is what forced those cities to crash. Look at Rust Belt cities (Milwaukee, Cleveland, Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, Gary) and you will find significant population decline and high crime rates. Trying to make it a political discussion brings in personal bias.

PatientTrades 9y ago
> I am citing them as places that are not "failing inner cities" with high crime rates Where are you getting your data? SF has one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. Also Los Angeles homicide rate is up 24 percent compared to last year. Etc... Those cities still don't help your case....
sedtrader 9y ago
> The focus of my post was that it seems clear that economics is what forced those cities to crash. Economic policies from politicians influence economics. If policies are bad for business, jobs will leave, crime will rise and populations will decline. Economics don't happen in a vacuum. Most if not all of those declining cities have been consistently run by democrats
- supplied_demand 9y ago
  >Most if not all of those declining cities have been consistently run by democrats And so have most of the growing, thriving cities. Individual cities have very little say in global economic shifts. We are seeing this same story play out in Republican-controlled rural areas. First some jobs leave (outsource or automation), then laborforce participation declines, next we see drug use increase, which makes more people unemployable, as a result employers leave the area and more jobs are lost. Then you go back to step 1 and re-run. Trying to cast everything in a partisan light may be blinding you to the similarities.