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Deus Vult ("god wills it") is also the expression in Latin used during the actual crusades, the historical event that predates the game by over 900 years. The

Deus Vult ("god wills it") is also the expression in Latin used during the actual crusades, the historical event that predates the game by over 900 years. The name of the game is based on that expression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult Some rather informal historical explanation can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0

_jgdh 9y ago
A quick note on exactly what God willed, according to the Crusaders. A scene from the Siege of Antioch in 1098 > The calm night air was shattered as the Franks screamed out their battle cry "God wills it! God wills it!" With resistance crumbling, the Crusaders poured into Antioch. Amid the gloom of the approaching dawn the chaotic slaughter began. One Latin contemporary noted that 'they were sparing no Muslim on the grounds on the age or sex, the ground was covered with blood and corpses and some of these were Christians Greeks, Syrians and Armenians...'. Afterwards one Crusader described how 'all the streets of the city on every side were full of corpses, so that no one could endure to be there because of the stench, nor could anyone walk along the narrow paths of the city, except over the corpses of the dead'. And this was just the capture of Antioch. The scenes at the capture of Jerusalem were far worse, with the Crusaders indulging in butchery that's nauseating to read about. In contrast, when Sultan Saladin recaptured Jerusalem 90 years later, it was done peacefully. When we see people today brandishing swastikas, we know exactly what kind of people they are and what they aspire to be, based on our knowledge of the crimes of the Nazis. Similarly, when you see a far right nut arguing against Islam and using this catchphrase, you know what kind of cloth they're cut from. Source - The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land by Thomas Asbridge
- Banthum 9y ago
  5 seconds of Googling reveals: >On July 4, 1187, the Muslim forces of Saladin (Salah al-Din) decisively defeated the crusader army south of the Horns of Hattin in Palestine, capturing Guy, king of Jerusalem; Reginald of Châtillon, Saladin’s enemy whom he personally killed; over two hundred Knights Hospitaller and Templar Knightly Orders whom he ordered to be killed; and many crusaders whom he ransomed. The remaining captured Christians were sold on the local slave markets. [1] Such a friendly guy, that Saladin! Your attempt to draw some great moral distinction between evil Christian and good Muslims is massively confused and, given its underlying intent to delegitimize certain religious/ethnic groups today, actually nauseating. The reality is that pretty much everyone involved in the Muslim conquests, the Crusades, the Muslim re-conquests, and all conflicts of that era were absolutely brutal. Mohammed himself ordered and carried out countless torture sessions, battles, and massacres, of soldiers and civilians. So as did the Romans and the Franks and everyone else. If they were ever merciful, on any occasion, it was not for moral reasons, but strategic/political ones. The ancient world is brutal. Stop trying to manipulate stories from it to stir up hate towards peoples' identities today. We have enough things to fight about already. [1] http://www.history.com/topics/saladin http://www.history.com/topics/saladin
  - _jgdh 9y ago
    I'm glad you did your 5 seconds of googling - but the distinction I was drawing was the difference in treatment meted out to combatants and non-combatants. Saladin sold soldiers into slavery. He spared civilians. The Crusaders made no such distinction. Yes, slavery sucked but between mass murder and selling into slavery, the latter was the lesser of the two evils in the 12th century. The alternative - allowing enemy combatants to go free was ruinous, you would face them in battle again within a few years. I request that you judge Saladin by the standards of his time, just as I judge the First Crusaders by the standards of their time. At a time when it was common to demonize your enemy for anything they did, Latin sources had an extremely high opinion of Saladin. Archbishop William of Tyre, the primary source for this period, spoke of him in glowing terms, especially of the mercy shown during the siege of Jerusalem. I completely agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities committed by every single person involved, regardless of religion. I was merely pointing out that even by the standards of the 12th century, those who used the battle cry "Deus Vult" during the sieges of Antioch and Jersalem were far worse than their contemporaries. When people today echo this battle cry, it is exactly this kind of behaviour that they are implicitly endorsing.
    - literallycancer 9y ago
      >When people today echo this battle cry, it is exactly this kind of behaviour that they are implicitly endorsing. No. It may be that you interpret it that way, but that's on you. The same way as if you get triggered by the Latvian fire cross or similar examples elsewhere.
    - baud147258 9y ago
      Archbishop William of Tyre was the neighbor of Saladin, so it might have been just praise to avoid being next to be sold in slavery?
      - _jgdh 9y ago
        No. William grew up at a time when the Kingdom of Jerusalem was strong and was Archbishop between 1127-1135. At no point was William ever in danger from Saladin. Saladin actually captured very little territory from the Crusader states until 1187, when a decisive battle was fought and he captured most of the Levant. William would have had reason to fear him then, but he had passed away the previous year. Also, Saladin did not sell anyone into slavery as long as they paid a ransom - a measly 10 dinars. Anyone who paid was allowed to leave Jerusalem with all of their possessions. When the Patriarch of Jerusalem tried to leave the city weighed down with treasures, Saladin was advised to keep most of it but he took nothing except the 10 dinars and let the Patriarch leave with the rest of his wealth. Saladin did not want to break the promise he had made - that anyone who paid the ransom was free.
- partycoder 9y ago
  You are talking of a time where theocracy was the rule of the land and literacy rate was below 1%. The scientific method wasn't even invented yet and whatever proto-science that existed would not take you very far. During that time, insulting god was the worst possible thing someone can do, and following another god was a way of doing that. The prize for participating in the crusades was a papal bull, which is document representing a guaranteed entry to heaven by cancelling all your sins. So if you went full ape and killed 1000 people you technically still went to heaven.
  - _jgdh 9y ago
    Thanks for the explanation, but the book I mentioned explains that in detail, over several hundred pages. I was trying to make 2 points - By the standards of their time, the Crusaders were particularly barbaric. I'm not judging them by 21st century standards, I'm comparing them to their contemporaries in the 12th century, such as Saladin. - 'Deus Vult' was their battle cry when they engaged in this barbaric slaughter in their successful bid to recapture the Holy Land. It is also used by members of the far right today. They do so because they advocate a similar stance towards Muslims. Sadly, this has upset fans of Crusader Kings in this thread. I regret it, but I liken it to the Nazis' appropriation of the swastika, a Hindu religious symbol. It sucks that the far right has appropriated what's yours, but you just gotta accept it and move on.
    - partycoder 9y ago
      Well, such folks also like post imagery related to the film "Kingdom of Heaven". The entire point of that film is to portray the crusades as pointless, but those guys don't really get it.

_jgdh 9y ago

A quick note on exactly what God willed, according to the Crusaders. A scene from the Siege of Antioch in 1098 > The calm night air was shattered as the Franks screamed out their battle cry "God wills it! God wills it!" With resistance crumbling, the Crusaders poured into Antioch. Amid the gloom of the approaching dawn the chaotic slaughter began. One Latin contemporary noted that 'they were sparing no Muslim on the grounds on the age or sex, the ground was covered with blood and corpses and some of these were Christians Greeks, Syrians and Armenians...'. Afterwards one Crusader described how 'all the streets of the city on every side were full of corpses, so that no one could endure to be there because of the stench, nor could anyone walk along the narrow paths of the city, except over the corpses of the dead'. And this was just the capture of Antioch. The scenes at the capture of Jerusalem were far worse, with the Crusaders indulging in butchery that's nauseating to read about. In contrast, when Sultan Saladin recaptured Jerusalem 90 years later, it was done peacefully. When we see people today brandishing swastikas, we know exactly what kind of people they are and what they aspire to be, based on our knowledge of the crimes of the Nazis. Similarly, when you see a far right nut arguing against Islam and using this catchphrase, you know what kind of cloth they're cut from. Source - The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land by Thomas Asbridge

Banthum 9y ago
5 seconds of Googling reveals: >On July 4, 1187, the Muslim forces of Saladin (Salah al-Din) decisively defeated the crusader army south of the Horns of Hattin in Palestine, capturing Guy, king of Jerusalem; Reginald of Châtillon, Saladin’s enemy whom he personally killed; over two hundred Knights Hospitaller and Templar Knightly Orders whom he ordered to be killed; and many crusaders whom he ransomed. The remaining captured Christians were sold on the local slave markets. [1] Such a friendly guy, that Saladin! Your attempt to draw some great moral distinction between evil Christian and good Muslims is massively confused and, given its underlying intent to delegitimize certain religious/ethnic groups today, actually nauseating. The reality is that pretty much everyone involved in the Muslim conquests, the Crusades, the Muslim re-conquests, and all conflicts of that era were absolutely brutal. Mohammed himself ordered and carried out countless torture sessions, battles, and massacres, of soldiers and civilians. So as did the Romans and the Franks and everyone else. If they were ever merciful, on any occasion, it was not for moral reasons, but strategic/political ones. The ancient world is brutal. Stop trying to manipulate stories from it to stir up hate towards peoples' identities today. We have enough things to fight about already. [1] http://www.history.com/topics/saladin http://www.history.com/topics/saladin
- _jgdh 9y ago
  I'm glad you did your 5 seconds of googling - but the distinction I was drawing was the difference in treatment meted out to combatants and non-combatants. Saladin sold soldiers into slavery. He spared civilians. The Crusaders made no such distinction. Yes, slavery sucked but between mass murder and selling into slavery, the latter was the lesser of the two evils in the 12th century. The alternative - allowing enemy combatants to go free was ruinous, you would face them in battle again within a few years. I request that you judge Saladin by the standards of his time, just as I judge the First Crusaders by the standards of their time. At a time when it was common to demonize your enemy for anything they did, Latin sources had an extremely high opinion of Saladin. Archbishop William of Tyre, the primary source for this period, spoke of him in glowing terms, especially of the mercy shown during the siege of Jerusalem. I completely agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities committed by every single person involved, regardless of religion. I was merely pointing out that even by the standards of the 12th century, those who used the battle cry "Deus Vult" during the sieges of Antioch and Jersalem were far worse than their contemporaries. When people today echo this battle cry, it is exactly this kind of behaviour that they are implicitly endorsing.
  - literallycancer 9y ago
    >When people today echo this battle cry, it is exactly this kind of behaviour that they are implicitly endorsing. No. It may be that you interpret it that way, but that's on you. The same way as if you get triggered by the Latvian fire cross or similar examples elsewhere.
  - baud147258 9y ago
    Archbishop William of Tyre was the neighbor of Saladin, so it might have been just praise to avoid being next to be sold in slavery?
    - _jgdh 9y ago
      No. William grew up at a time when the Kingdom of Jerusalem was strong and was Archbishop between 1127-1135. At no point was William ever in danger from Saladin. Saladin actually captured very little territory from the Crusader states until 1187, when a decisive battle was fought and he captured most of the Levant. William would have had reason to fear him then, but he had passed away the previous year. Also, Saladin did not sell anyone into slavery as long as they paid a ransom - a measly 10 dinars. Anyone who paid was allowed to leave Jerusalem with all of their possessions. When the Patriarch of Jerusalem tried to leave the city weighed down with treasures, Saladin was advised to keep most of it but he took nothing except the 10 dinars and let the Patriarch leave with the rest of his wealth. Saladin did not want to break the promise he had made - that anyone who paid the ransom was free.
partycoder 9y ago
You are talking of a time where theocracy was the rule of the land and literacy rate was below 1%. The scientific method wasn't even invented yet and whatever proto-science that existed would not take you very far. During that time, insulting god was the worst possible thing someone can do, and following another god was a way of doing that. The prize for participating in the crusades was a papal bull, which is document representing a guaranteed entry to heaven by cancelling all your sins. So if you went full ape and killed 1000 people you technically still went to heaven.
- _jgdh 9y ago
  Thanks for the explanation, but the book I mentioned explains that in detail, over several hundred pages. I was trying to make 2 points - By the standards of their time, the Crusaders were particularly barbaric. I'm not judging them by 21st century standards, I'm comparing them to their contemporaries in the 12th century, such as Saladin. - 'Deus Vult' was their battle cry when they engaged in this barbaric slaughter in their successful bid to recapture the Holy Land. It is also used by members of the far right today. They do so because they advocate a similar stance towards Muslims. Sadly, this has upset fans of Crusader Kings in this thread. I regret it, but I liken it to the Nazis' appropriation of the swastika, a Hindu religious symbol. It sucks that the far right has appropriated what's yours, but you just gotta accept it and move on.
  - partycoder 9y ago
    Well, such folks also like post imagery related to the film "Kingdom of Heaven". The entire point of that film is to portray the crusades as pointless, but those guys don't really get it.