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I'm still looking for an ideal calculator, a fully programmable ruggedized device with a small form factor, a powerful CAS, an outstanding keyboard, clock and a

I'm still looking for an ideal calculator, a fully programmable ruggedized device with a small form factor, a powerful CAS, an outstanding keyboard, clock and alarm, a sun-readable display (e-ink), and, most importantly, weeks of battery life. But I have to second cjsuk, User RPL and System RPL are not programming languages you'd want to use nowadays for larger projects. Personally, I'd like to see Lisp on such a device, but any kind of Basic, Pascal or Lua like language with built-in hashtables and structures should be fine. Anyway, as it looks now, the HP50g will be the last calculator I own. The companies apparently think that the market isn't big enough. I believe there is a demand for a machine like the above one, especially if it's also water proof, but maybe I'm wrong.

cjsuk 9y ago
I get the feeling it will never happen. The nearest thing to this was the TI Voyage 200. Everything went downhill after that.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  With enough dedication you can program an arm chip or an ESP32 (dual core 32bits 100MHz) < 10$ a piece. eInk displays are also below 10$ but except for very recent and/or expensive models the refresh rate is not appropriate (unbearable IMO)
  - cjsuk 9y ago
    It's always the software that is the problem however. Not sure I like eInk displays at all.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      I like minimalism, a few shades of gray and one color (maybe two) could be enough for calcing. And the consumption too.. but the delay is too much.
zokier 9y ago
> The companies apparently think that the market isn't big enough. I believe there is a demand for a machine like the above one At what price point and volume? I feel like there would be ton of development work (custom sw stack, and just the mechanical aspects), and the manufacturing probably won't be cheap either (especially if you can't utilize the economics of scale), which makes a problematic equation for what is ultimately a niche item.
dm319 9y ago
Maybe the DM42? programmable? kinda rugged? a steel or titanium case, not sure, but yes keyboard? should be good based on prior form clock? yes alarm? don't think so e-ink? yes weeks of battery? yes This device may be hackable in the future, but it will be released based on free42 and Intel's quad-precision decimal library which I think will make it the most accurate handheld calculator. Another option might be the numworks calculator[2] which runs python and is open source. But doesn't meet your other criteria. A third option might be the Gemini - a folding clamshell that runs linux.[3] or even the pocket chip? [4] [1] https://www.swissmicros.com/dm42.php https://www.swissmicros.com/dm42.php [2]https://www.numworks.com https://www.numworks.com [3]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/updates/all https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-... [4]https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip
- JohnStrange 9y ago
  PocketChip: only 5 h battery life, not durable, but otherwise would be ideal - but with 5h battery life it's nothing but a useless gimmick DM42: no alarm, too limited programming (basically a HP42 clone), no CAS, otherwise it would be ideal gemini pda: too short battery life, way too expensive numworks: kind of cool, but doesn't meet the criteria either, and it currently still has math problems (accuracy changes with every firmware update, the least thing I want from a calculator is inconsistent floating point arithmetic) If I knew more about electronics, I'd make my own device but my life is unfortunately too short and too busy for that. I guess you can't always get what you want. ;)

cjsuk 9y ago

I get the feeling it will never happen. The nearest thing to this was the TI Voyage 200. Everything went downhill after that.

agumonkey 9y ago
With enough dedication you can program an arm chip or an ESP32 (dual core 32bits 100MHz) < 10$ a piece. eInk displays are also below 10$ but except for very recent and/or expensive models the refresh rate is not appropriate (unbearable IMO)
- cjsuk 9y ago
  It's always the software that is the problem however. Not sure I like eInk displays at all.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    I like minimalism, a few shades of gray and one color (maybe two) could be enough for calcing. And the consumption too.. but the delay is too much.

zokier 9y ago

> The companies apparently think that the market isn't big enough. I believe there is a demand for a machine like the above one At what price point and volume? I feel like there would be ton of development work (custom sw stack, and just the mechanical aspects), and the manufacturing probably won't be cheap either (especially if you can't utilize the economics of scale), which makes a problematic equation for what is ultimately a niche item.

dm319 9y ago

Maybe the DM42? programmable? kinda rugged? a steel or titanium case, not sure, but yes keyboard? should be good based on prior form clock? yes alarm? don't think so e-ink? yes weeks of battery? yes This device may be hackable in the future, but it will be released based on free42 and Intel's quad-precision decimal library which I think will make it the most accurate handheld calculator. Another option might be the numworks calculator[2] which runs python and is open source. But doesn't meet your other criteria. A third option might be the Gemini - a folding clamshell that runs linux.[3] or even the pocket chip? [4] [1] https://www.swissmicros.com/dm42.php https://www.swissmicros.com/dm42.php [2]https://www.numworks.com https://www.numworks.com [3]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/updates/all https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-... [4]https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip

JohnStrange 9y ago
PocketChip: only 5 h battery life, not durable, but otherwise would be ideal - but with 5h battery life it's nothing but a useless gimmick DM42: no alarm, too limited programming (basically a HP42 clone), no CAS, otherwise it would be ideal gemini pda: too short battery life, way too expensive numworks: kind of cool, but doesn't meet the criteria either, and it currently still has math problems (accuracy changes with every firmware update, the least thing I want from a calculator is inconsistent floating point arithmetic) If I knew more about electronics, I'd make my own device but my life is unfortunately too short and too busy for that. I guess you can't always get what you want. ;)