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You could also say they have enabled the rise of Baidu and with it a Google clone that is completely under the control of the Chinese government. I do respect

You could also say they have enabled the rise of Baidu and with it a Google clone that is completely under the control of the Chinese government. I do respect Google for pulling out - this was actually the last time Google actually really tried to "don't be evil". Since then, they've thrown that overboard. But that one time, they did it. The problem is that the outcome was worse than remaining there. That was a lack of wisdom on Google's part. Apple could pull out, lose Billions of dollars and a hundred million users, Chinese wouldn't be able to get their hands on iPhones, and Samsung, Meizu, Huawei, and so on would be having a field day selling their government-approved devices, which, in terms of privacy, are infinitely worse than iPhones. Apple is actually implementing some pretty serious privacy features, like end to end encryption in iMessage and so on.

jakecopp 9y ago
I'm not sure about that that argument - in the same way you could argue below minimum wage work is okay because unemployment (or the alternative) is worse.
bad_user 9y ago
You're presenting a false dichotomy. Google would have lost to Baidu regardless and don't think for a second this wasn't factored in their decision. The Chinese are known for degrading the online experience of western services in preference for local alternatives. This coupled with the fact that Baidu really is better for the Chinese market, just how Yandex has been better for the Russian market. > Apple is actually implementing some pretty serious privacy features, like end to end encryption in iMessage and so on. The end to end encryption in iMessage is shit because Apple is managing the encryption keys and if your adversary is the Chinese government you'll get fucked given Apple's newfound willingness to bend over.
- cromwellian 9y ago
  Have you ever used Baidu? It's worse than Google even when searching for Chinese. Baidu did a few things well: it was good for finding pirated content and porn, but for actual research, it's horrible.
  - Infinitesimus 9y ago
    I don't think OP was saying Google would lose to Baidu because of quality, but because the Chinese government has deep fingers in Baidu there's a very good chance they will cripple Google's services in favor of Baidu's.

jakecopp 9y ago

I'm not sure about that that argument - in the same way you could argue below minimum wage work is okay because unemployment (or the alternative) is worse.

bad_user 9y ago

You're presenting a false dichotomy. Google would have lost to Baidu regardless and don't think for a second this wasn't factored in their decision. The Chinese are known for degrading the online experience of western services in preference for local alternatives. This coupled with the fact that Baidu really is better for the Chinese market, just how Yandex has been better for the Russian market. > Apple is actually implementing some pretty serious privacy features, like end to end encryption in iMessage and so on. The end to end encryption in iMessage is shit because Apple is managing the encryption keys and if your adversary is the Chinese government you'll get fucked given Apple's newfound willingness to bend over.

cromwellian 9y ago
Have you ever used Baidu? It's worse than Google even when searching for Chinese. Baidu did a few things well: it was good for finding pirated content and porn, but for actual research, it's horrible.
- Infinitesimus 9y ago
  I don't think OP was saying Google would lose to Baidu because of quality, but because the Chinese government has deep fingers in Baidu there's a very good chance they will cripple Google's services in favor of Baidu's.