start to, nothing. most businesses expect you to have experience now, and, uh, you need to get that experience somehow. for me, it was a bigger problem than

start to, nothing. most businesses expect you to have experience now, and, uh, you need to get that experience somehow. for me, it was a bigger problem than for most people. I didn't have a degree. It's hard to get a real job with a degree and no experience. getting a 'real job' with no degree and no experience is pretty much impossible. My brother, on the other hand, has been making $20+ an hour at his internships; a line I didn't cross until I made programmer. To be fair, he's the age I was when I got a 'programmer' title, and his responsibilities and accomplishments are similar to mine at his age; the only real difference is that when school starts, he heads back to school, while I kept working.