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Perhaps Russia should be doing most of the talking. It paid 20X or so more in lives than the US or UK to win WWII. US and UK losses were about the same. Data f

Perhaps Russia should be doing most of the talking. It paid 20X or so more in lives than the US or UK to win WWII. US and UK losses were about the same. Data from Wikipedia. WWWII deaths: Russia: 20,000,000 to 27,000,000 UK and colonies: 450,900 USA: 419,400 WWII Military dead: Russia: 8,668,000 to 11,400,00 UK and colonies: 383,700 USA: 407,300 At the time the population of the US was roughly 3X the UK, and the USSR was roughly 1.4X the US. edit: I wondered, and found that about 25% of US casualties were in the Pacific theater. http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/Casualties/Casualties-1.html http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/Casualties/Casualtie... What terrible goddam war. Anyway, it's not like the Brits hid in a hole while the Americans saved everyone. No snarky comments at imaginary cocktail parties, please.

kharms 9y ago
Since we’re giving credit where it’s due, let’s not mix the USSR and Russia. Ukraine and Belarus suffered proportionately greater losses.
- jimnotgym 9y ago
  >Since we’re giving credit where it’s due, I thought this was going to be a joke about lend-lease!
- robotresearcher 9y ago
  Sorry about that. Too late to edit. Replace Russia with USSR in my parent post.
craftyguy 9y ago
> It paid 20X or so more in lives Took bad Stalin felt like he needed to match that count during his subsequent extermination of "political enemies."
- berbec 9y ago
  "In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties." [1] Or doubled... 1: http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789 http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kil...
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    So then he exceeded his goal? Not sure that it made my previous statement any less true.. He still proceeded to kill a fuck load of citizens.
    - berbec 9y ago
      Oh no, I was agreeing with you!
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billfruit 9y ago
Chinese deaths were quite large in number too, much more than American, French, British and German deaths, yet their role in conflict is seldom remembered.
- robotresearcher 9y ago
  That's very true, but in the context of the war in Europe - the current topic - that's not really relevant. China did not save Europe from the Nazis.
refurb 9y ago
One could argue the price that the USSR paid had a lot to do with their lack of military prowess. They won by using their citizens as cannon fodder. A great example is the Battle of Kursk. A defining moment when Germany lose as offensive capabilities in the East. It was a decisive win for the USSR, but the casualty numbers are astounding. German loses - ~54,000 deaths USSR loses - ~180,000 deaths
ekianjo 9y ago
> It paid 20X or so more in lives than the US or UK to win WWII The USSR's plan was to invade the whole of Europe anyway (Stalin was preparing for it well before Operation Barbarossa started - you can look it up, they had the largest tank division in the world back in the 30s, well above Germany, and with much more powerful tanks that were obviously not going to be used for peaceful purposes). So presenting them as "allied forces" has always felt amusing to me. They showed their true colors anyway right after Germany's defeat.
- alemontree 9y ago
  The "Icebreaker" theory has been thoroughly debunked. It has no support among credible historians. And yes, they were building up their military in the 30's. They would have been complete idiots not to.
golergka 9y ago
USSR entered WWII on Hitler's side.

kharms 9y ago

Since we’re giving credit where it’s due, let’s not mix the USSR and Russia. Ukraine and Belarus suffered proportionately greater losses.

jimnotgym 9y ago
>Since we’re giving credit where it’s due, I thought this was going to be a joke about lend-lease!
robotresearcher 9y ago
Sorry about that. Too late to edit. Replace Russia with USSR in my parent post.

craftyguy 9y ago

> It paid 20X or so more in lives Took bad Stalin felt like he needed to match that count during his subsequent extermination of "political enemies."

berbec 9y ago
"In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties." [1] Or doubled... 1: http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789 http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kil...
- craftyguy 9y ago
  So then he exceeded his goal? Not sure that it made my previous statement any less true.. He still proceeded to kill a fuck load of citizens.
  - berbec 9y ago
    Oh no, I was agreeing with you!

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billfruit 9y ago

Chinese deaths were quite large in number too, much more than American, French, British and German deaths, yet their role in conflict is seldom remembered.

robotresearcher 9y ago
That's very true, but in the context of the war in Europe - the current topic - that's not really relevant. China did not save Europe from the Nazis.

refurb 9y ago

One could argue the price that the USSR paid had a lot to do with their lack of military prowess. They won by using their citizens as cannon fodder. A great example is the Battle of Kursk. A defining moment when Germany lose as offensive capabilities in the East. It was a decisive win for the USSR, but the casualty numbers are astounding. German loses - ~54,000 deaths USSR loses - ~180,000 deaths

ekianjo 9y ago

> It paid 20X or so more in lives than the US or UK to win WWII The USSR's plan was to invade the whole of Europe anyway (Stalin was preparing for it well before Operation Barbarossa started - you can look it up, they had the largest tank division in the world back in the 30s, well above Germany, and with much more powerful tanks that were obviously not going to be used for peaceful purposes). So presenting them as "allied forces" has always felt amusing to me. They showed their true colors anyway right after Germany's defeat.

alemontree 9y ago
The "Icebreaker" theory has been thoroughly debunked. It has no support among credible historians. And yes, they were building up their military in the 30's. They would have been complete idiots not to.

golergka 9y ago

USSR entered WWII on Hitler's side.