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So the problem wasn't my english, you already had understood the question. Now your reply doesn't help me. It is not logical to ask why put more people that don

So the problem wasn't my english, you already had understood the question. Now your reply doesn't help me. It is not logical to ask why put more people that don't enjoy hang around would improve something? So I'm asking why should HN actively change itself to be more engaging to women? And how?

DoreenMichele 9y ago
You assume women don't want to be here. I see it otherwise. Women want to be here, but the climate is not very welcoming of them. So I'm asking why should HN actively change itself to be more engaging to women? And how? HN isn't required to do anything at all. It looks to me like both YC and the moderating staff of HN would like to foster diversity. That is their choice. I try to respect that fact. I have worked hard at trying to fit in because I want to be here. I know a lot about social phenomenon. If one woman can figure it out, this will tend to open doors for others. That is simple reality and has nothing to do with me trying to change HN. In fact, to the degree that new women so often take it for granted that they are welcome here, have no idea how hard I have worked to fit in and how that makes it easier for them and then quite often are personally ugly to me, I often regret any role I have played in opening doors for other women here. It seems to be of zero benefit to me and to very often bite me in the butt. Your hostility in this most recent comment seems to be much more blatant and not a matter of misunderstanding. So, if you will excuse me, I don't plan to engage you further.
- owebmaster 9y ago
  > Your hostility in this most recent comment seems to be much more blatant and not a matter of misunderstanding. All your replies to me were hostiles and some of them complaining about my hostility. I wasn't hostile at any time, my question was on the subject of the topic but every answer of yours you tried to frame me as hostile. Because you feel that women are hostilized here. I feel that black men are hostilized here too. By men and women. But most of the times I'm hostilized it is directly correlated to the angriness in some of my replies. I don't think that bring more black people ready to engage in flamewars about why there aren't many of us here will do any good to HN and neither them will enjoy the experience. Tech savvy black people will. And I think exactly the same about women on HN. "Ask HN: What about women on HN?"
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    My initial request for clarification was in no way hostile, nor a criticism of you. I am sorry you are so very angry, but I see no reason why I should be the target of your anger. Also, there is no requirement here to be in tech. There are men on the leaderboard in other professions. There are plenty of respected members here who are teachers, doctors or lawyers. The suggestion that a woman or black person needs to be "tech savvy" is just another means to exclude them. Since you are black, it really isn't in your best interest to suggest that people who are not white males need to pass additional tests to be here. And if you think flamewars will degrade the site, then look to the man in the mirror. Your anger is part of the problem. I do all in my power to be the antithesis of an angry woman just here to start fights. I imagine my commitment to trying to engage in good faith in spite of it being an uphill battle to do so is a key element of how I became the first woman on the leaderboard.
    - owebmaster 9y ago
      > I do all in my power to be the antithesis of an angry woman just here to start fights. Doesn't look like that at all. I weren't the one with weapons at hand in this thread. > Since you are black, it really isn't in your best interest to suggest that people who are not white males need to pass additional tests to be here. My only test is that someone here has to fit and add to this tech community to not feel hostilized otherwise it'd be in their best interest to find over time their position here in place of screaming out loud that they should be more accepted (of course, respecting the guidelines objectively, not subjectively). Show, don't tell. The same way you got your position in the leaderboard. I've remember reading a lot of comments from you (Mz?) that I sure upvoted because it contributed to the discussion.

DoreenMichele 9y ago

You assume women don't want to be here. I see it otherwise. Women want to be here, but the climate is not very welcoming of them. So I'm asking why should HN actively change itself to be more engaging to women? And how? HN isn't required to do anything at all. It looks to me like both YC and the moderating staff of HN would like to foster diversity. That is their choice. I try to respect that fact. I have worked hard at trying to fit in because I want to be here. I know a lot about social phenomenon. If one woman can figure it out, this will tend to open doors for others. That is simple reality and has nothing to do with me trying to change HN. In fact, to the degree that new women so often take it for granted that they are welcome here, have no idea how hard I have worked to fit in and how that makes it easier for them and then quite often are personally ugly to me, I often regret any role I have played in opening doors for other women here. It seems to be of zero benefit to me and to very often bite me in the butt. Your hostility in this most recent comment seems to be much more blatant and not a matter of misunderstanding. So, if you will excuse me, I don't plan to engage you further.

owebmaster 9y ago
> Your hostility in this most recent comment seems to be much more blatant and not a matter of misunderstanding. All your replies to me were hostiles and some of them complaining about my hostility. I wasn't hostile at any time, my question was on the subject of the topic but every answer of yours you tried to frame me as hostile. Because you feel that women are hostilized here. I feel that black men are hostilized here too. By men and women. But most of the times I'm hostilized it is directly correlated to the angriness in some of my replies. I don't think that bring more black people ready to engage in flamewars about why there aren't many of us here will do any good to HN and neither them will enjoy the experience. Tech savvy black people will. And I think exactly the same about women on HN. "Ask HN: What about women on HN?"
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  My initial request for clarification was in no way hostile, nor a criticism of you. I am sorry you are so very angry, but I see no reason why I should be the target of your anger. Also, there is no requirement here to be in tech. There are men on the leaderboard in other professions. There are plenty of respected members here who are teachers, doctors or lawyers. The suggestion that a woman or black person needs to be "tech savvy" is just another means to exclude them. Since you are black, it really isn't in your best interest to suggest that people who are not white males need to pass additional tests to be here. And if you think flamewars will degrade the site, then look to the man in the mirror. Your anger is part of the problem. I do all in my power to be the antithesis of an angry woman just here to start fights. I imagine my commitment to trying to engage in good faith in spite of it being an uphill battle to do so is a key element of how I became the first woman on the leaderboard.
  - owebmaster 9y ago
    > I do all in my power to be the antithesis of an angry woman just here to start fights. Doesn't look like that at all. I weren't the one with weapons at hand in this thread. > Since you are black, it really isn't in your best interest to suggest that people who are not white males need to pass additional tests to be here. My only test is that someone here has to fit and add to this tech community to not feel hostilized otherwise it'd be in their best interest to find over time their position here in place of screaming out loud that they should be more accepted (of course, respecting the guidelines objectively, not subjectively). Show, don't tell. The same way you got your position in the leaderboard. I've remember reading a lot of comments from you (Mz?) that I sure upvoted because it contributed to the discussion.