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That's a fair point with regards to drug convictions. However, I wish you hadn't insinuated that I could only hold the opinions I do because of a character def

That's a fair point with regards to drug convictions. However, I wish you hadn't insinuated that I could only hold the opinions I do because of a character deficiency. I wrote my comment in good faith, and am perfectly willing to change my mind if given reason to. I think it's worth reflecting on your part that there are people who don't share your views and that maybe we have reasons for doing so besides being bad people. Even if my reasons are misguided, I'm still capable of being reasoned with, but attacking people's character is a quick way to polarize people who might be sympathetic to your point of view if engaged with in a more civil manner.

TallGuyShort 9y ago
>> but attacking people's character is a quick way to polarize people You explicitly state all criminals intentionally demonstrated poor character, and implied they should be judged for that in perpetuity without legal protections. And I said that reflects on your character. If you've changed your mind, great, but I hardly think your comment demonstrates good faith at all, let alone compared to your issue with mine.
kowdermeister 9y ago
> but attacking people's character is a quick way to polarize people That's funny because in your original comment you did just that to all people with a criminal record. Now somebody pushed you a little and you suddenly feel that it's unjust. Think about it a little.
- workthrowaway27 9y ago
  My point was that treating people as enemies makes it nearly impossible to win them over to your side.
  - TallGuyShort 9y ago
    I apologize for implying that your belief that anyone whose ever plead guilty or been convicted of a crime has suspect character an hour earlier was a reflection of your own character. I didn't realize that made us feel like enemies.
s73ver_ 9y ago
"However, I wish you hadn't insinuated that I could only hold the opinions I do because of a character deficiency." Your post did the exact same thing regarding individuals with a criminal history. If someone got into a drunken bar fight when they were 19, should that really affect their job chances when they're 35? Or, better yet, someone who was arrested for protesting? Should a criminal conviction for essentially doing nothing but exercising your constitutional rights bar you from earning a living? Not to mention, if persons with criminal convictions, especially ones that are not serious are not allowed to find employment, what do you think they're going to do? Who, other than society, do you think will bear that burden?

TallGuyShort 9y ago

>> but attacking people's character is a quick way to polarize people You explicitly state all criminals intentionally demonstrated poor character, and implied they should be judged for that in perpetuity without legal protections. And I said that reflects on your character. If you've changed your mind, great, but I hardly think your comment demonstrates good faith at all, let alone compared to your issue with mine.

kowdermeister 9y ago

> but attacking people's character is a quick way to polarize people That's funny because in your original comment you did just that to all people with a criminal record. Now somebody pushed you a little and you suddenly feel that it's unjust. Think about it a little.

workthrowaway27 9y ago
My point was that treating people as enemies makes it nearly impossible to win them over to your side.
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  I apologize for implying that your belief that anyone whose ever plead guilty or been convicted of a crime has suspect character an hour earlier was a reflection of your own character. I didn't realize that made us feel like enemies.

s73ver_ 9y ago

"However, I wish you hadn't insinuated that I could only hold the opinions I do because of a character deficiency." Your post did the exact same thing regarding individuals with a criminal history. If someone got into a drunken bar fight when they were 19, should that really affect their job chances when they're 35? Or, better yet, someone who was arrested for protesting? Should a criminal conviction for essentially doing nothing but exercising your constitutional rights bar you from earning a living? Not to mention, if persons with criminal convictions, especially ones that are not serious are not allowed to find employment, what do you think they're going to do? Who, other than society, do you think will bear that burden?