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The most amazing change in relationships happened between France and Germany. After having fought against each other for centuries they have developed a very cl

by baxtr 9y ago

The most amazing change in relationships happened between France and Germany. After having fought against each other for centuries they have developed a very close partnership. Germans love French culture/wine/food, French people admire Germany’s economic success. PS: yes I know, all anecdotal

maxxxxx 9y ago
Although when you get to areas close to the German border you still can feel the resentment from time to time. Can't really blame them after WW1 and 2. But overall I have been treated extremely well as a German all over Europe (and the world). This often surprises me.
coldtea 9y ago
Only superficially.
JustAnotherPat 9y ago
Not that amazing. Vichy France was an ally of Nazi Germany
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  Are you implying that the Vichy government made the typical French citizen more friendly toward Germany? I'm not French and I wasn't there, but that seems... unlikely.
Apocryphon 9y ago
How easily we forget the Carolingian Empire.
ekianjo 9y ago
> The most amazing change in relationships happened between France and Germany. I think we tend to forget that wars are started by governments, not people. People usually have no hatred for people beyond their borders. Hatred is created through politics and brainwashing.
- Scea91 9y ago
  To start a war government needs the support from a significant part of the people. Sure, they are brainwashed, yet that doesn't make them blameless.
  - ekianjo 9y ago
    > To start a war government needs the support from a significant part of the people There's a bunch of recent wars that had virtually no widespread popular support. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria... it does not seem to be a necessary condition anymore for any military action.
- madez 9y ago
  Nope, personal experience can lead to hate in individuals, or questioning their hate. People form opinions based on the examples they see. If the examples are bad, there is no need for any propaganda to instigate hate.

by baxtr 9y ago

maxxxxx 9y ago

Although when you get to areas close to the German border you still can feel the resentment from time to time. Can't really blame them after WW1 and 2. But overall I have been treated extremely well as a German all over Europe (and the world). This often surprises me.

coldtea 9y ago

Only superficially.

JustAnotherPat 9y ago

Not that amazing. Vichy France was an ally of Nazi Germany

AnimalMuppet 9y ago
Are you implying that the Vichy government made the typical French citizen more friendly toward Germany? I'm not French and I wasn't there, but that seems... unlikely.

Apocryphon 9y ago

How easily we forget the Carolingian Empire.

ekianjo 9y ago

> The most amazing change in relationships happened between France and Germany. I think we tend to forget that wars are started by governments, not people. People usually have no hatred for people beyond their borders. Hatred is created through politics and brainwashing.

Scea91 9y ago
To start a war government needs the support from a significant part of the people. Sure, they are brainwashed, yet that doesn't make them blameless.
- ekianjo 9y ago
  > To start a war government needs the support from a significant part of the people There's a bunch of recent wars that had virtually no widespread popular support. Vietnam, Iraq, Syria... it does not seem to be a necessary condition anymore for any military action.
madez 9y ago
Nope, personal experience can lead to hate in individuals, or questioning their hate. People form opinions based on the examples they see. If the examples are bad, there is no need for any propaganda to instigate hate.