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Or OP's point was the largest company using Haskell only employs 30 Haskell devs. A Haskell proponent will say exactly, you only need a few developers with Hask

Or OP's point was the largest company using Haskell only employs 30 Haskell devs. A Haskell proponent will say exactly, you only need a few developers with Haskell, while someone suspicious will say if this tech were truly great more people would use it

przemo_li 9y ago
Your comment make no sense what so ever. Number of haskellers in some particular company (despite your attempt at labeling it as "largest" without providing any evidence), do not prove or disprove quality of haskell. Number of developers implying perfection of language is also easily disproved. PHP or JS are good examples, where original languages become popular because of other factors. Also, original poster was trying to sell us single data point as measure of popularity O_O Getting good quantitative informations about languages is hard. But claiming that X devs hired in some company implies poor quality but X+10 would imply good quality is just ridiculous.
- throwaway7645 9y ago
  I disagree. Vanilla Ice song, Titanic song (my heart will go on), and Hansen Mmmbop might make you cringe, but people went nuts over those songs for a reason. At the time they were amazing. Php might not be the world's greatest language, but at the time it had what people needed in the way they needed it (easy to build websites). Haskell may be objectively better than Php from a language design standpoint, but there is still a LOT that keeps your average Joe/Jane developer from really learning the language (which string library to use as the seemingly default one is really slow, bad IDE support, unpredictable performance due to laziness, monads...etc). You can tell me Haskell is great all day and on paper I would agree, but due to the simple fact that in reality nobody is using it in production or hiring for it (yes some outliers exist), that tells the average person all they need to know. Where is Haskell on tiobe (yes not a perfect source I'm aware, but good enough)? I don't think it even shows up in the top 50 languages. That means drastically reduced employability to many people. I'm definitely not bashing Haskell btw. I think it's great, but I could also understand a lot of people shying away for good reason.

przemo_li 9y ago

Your comment make no sense what so ever. Number of haskellers in some particular company (despite your attempt at labeling it as "largest" without providing any evidence), do not prove or disprove quality of haskell. Number of developers implying perfection of language is also easily disproved. PHP or JS are good examples, where original languages become popular because of other factors. Also, original poster was trying to sell us single data point as measure of popularity O_O Getting good quantitative informations about languages is hard. But claiming that X devs hired in some company implies poor quality but X+10 would imply good quality is just ridiculous.

throwaway7645 9y ago
I disagree. Vanilla Ice song, Titanic song (my heart will go on), and Hansen Mmmbop might make you cringe, but people went nuts over those songs for a reason. At the time they were amazing. Php might not be the world's greatest language, but at the time it had what people needed in the way they needed it (easy to build websites). Haskell may be objectively better than Php from a language design standpoint, but there is still a LOT that keeps your average Joe/Jane developer from really learning the language (which string library to use as the seemingly default one is really slow, bad IDE support, unpredictable performance due to laziness, monads...etc). You can tell me Haskell is great all day and on paper I would agree, but due to the simple fact that in reality nobody is using it in production or hiring for it (yes some outliers exist), that tells the average person all they need to know. Where is Haskell on tiobe (yes not a perfect source I'm aware, but good enough)? I don't think it even shows up in the top 50 languages. That means drastically reduced employability to many people. I'm definitely not bashing Haskell btw. I think it's great, but I could also understand a lot of people shying away for good reason.