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> So rather than bothering to begin, you wrote an email. This is where Theo appears to me to be quite different to eg Linus. He plays the man, not the ball, wi

> So rather than bothering to begin, you wrote an email. This is where Theo appears to me to be quite different to eg Linus. He plays the man, not the ball, with personal attacks.

jackpot51 9y ago
I believe that Linus's attacks are usually good intentioned, to get people in the Linux community to act better. I am not sure what Theo's intent is.
- ams6110 9y ago
  If you want to effect change, do some work, don't write emails.
  - cuckcuckspruce 9y ago
    As can be expected from a project with a slogan of "Shut up and hack"[1]. [1] https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#51b https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#51b As the notes indicate, this saying goes back much further than this release song.
ams6110 9y ago
Where's the attack there? It's a statement of fact.
- JetSetWilly 9y ago
  If I say "You have a big nose, it makes you ugly" as the first line in my email, it may well be a "statement of fact" and yet still be a personal attack. Your implication that a statement of fact cannot be a personal attack is untrue. Whether the OP has or has not written Posix utilities in rust is of no relevance to the actual argument whatsoever, it is just a way to have a dig at the OP.
  - SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
    The second part of your example is a statement of opinion, not fact -- so it's not really the same thing at all.
    - Mouse47 9y ago
      His argument doesn't change if you change it to >You have a big nose, it makes you ugly to me. And that is a statement of fact.
  - why15characters 9y ago
    Nobody said anything about anyone's nose though. He said "you didn't write them". This absolutely has relevance to the problem of them not being written. Writing emails does not solve a software problem. Writing software does. If you want to solve the problem, do it.
DCKing 9y ago
Come on man. This is such low effort appealing to Theo's public image. If this is something you feel you must describe as a personal attack, it must be hard to get around in life. I find this response quite level headed and I like that some of his responses make it to the front page that provide insights into why such language changes are more difficult than they seem.

> So rather than bothering to begin, you wrote an email. This is where Theo appears to me to be quite different to eg Linus. He plays the man, not the ball, with personal attacks.

jackpot51 9y ago

I believe that Linus's attacks are usually good intentioned, to get people in the Linux community to act better. I am not sure what Theo's intent is.

ams6110 9y ago
If you want to effect change, do some work, don't write emails.
- cuckcuckspruce 9y ago
  As can be expected from a project with a slogan of "Shut up and hack"[1]. [1] https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#51b https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#51b As the notes indicate, this saying goes back much further than this release song.

ams6110 9y ago

Where's the attack there? It's a statement of fact.

JetSetWilly 9y ago
If I say "You have a big nose, it makes you ugly" as the first line in my email, it may well be a "statement of fact" and yet still be a personal attack. Your implication that a statement of fact cannot be a personal attack is untrue. Whether the OP has or has not written Posix utilities in rust is of no relevance to the actual argument whatsoever, it is just a way to have a dig at the OP.
- SomeStupidPoint 9y ago
  The second part of your example is a statement of opinion, not fact -- so it's not really the same thing at all.
  - Mouse47 9y ago
    His argument doesn't change if you change it to >You have a big nose, it makes you ugly to me. And that is a statement of fact.
- why15characters 9y ago
  Nobody said anything about anyone's nose though. He said "you didn't write them". This absolutely has relevance to the problem of them not being written. Writing emails does not solve a software problem. Writing software does. If you want to solve the problem, do it.

DCKing 9y ago

Come on man. This is such low effort appealing to Theo's public image. If this is something you feel you must describe as a personal attack, it must be hard to get around in life. I find this response quite level headed and I like that some of his responses make it to the front page that provide insights into why such language changes are more difficult than they seem.