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Time and again though, people manage to paint things like this as foreign bureaucrats interfering in our sovereignty. So many people I know, it seems that if yo
by clort 9y ago
Time and again though, people manage to paint things like this as foreign bureaucrats interfering in our sovereignty. So many people I know, it seems that if you tell them not to step in front of a bus they will shout "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" and do it anyway. I despair.
- OscarCunningham 9y agoI mean, yes. Both are true. The EU is both interfering undemocratically in the UK, _and_ making better decisions than our politicians. I noticed this during the referendum. A lot of the pro-remain arguments weren't to do with the abstract advantages of being in or out of the EU, but rather just that they preferred the current EU politicians to the UK ones.
- SimonPStevens 9y agoI'm not sure it is entirely undemocratic. The EU is a institution of various parts. Not all parts can interfere in the same way. I'm not totally versed in the details, but I think in this story would be related to Britain making laws that break the European convention on human rights (echr) that Britain agreed to abide by in a fully democratic way following our system of parliament. The European court of justice (ecj) is then the high court responsible for ensuring that countries stick to the agreements they have agreed to stick to. Which we didn't. So they are enforcing that we do. Now I don't think that's undemocratic. We (as a country) democratically signed a convention, and then future governments failed to uphold that. The ecj stepping in is exactly right. Like I say, not an expert, but just how I understand it.
- tomalpha 9y agoSomewhat ironically, the European Convention on Human Rights was very much a British supported thing and largely drafted by a British Member of Parliament: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Maxwell_Fyfe,_1st_Earl_of_Kilmuir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Maxwell_Fyfe,_1st_Earl_o...