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> I don't like to install software. As a child of the web, my feet are firmly planted into the cloud. It's funny, I'm the exact opposite. I don't like cloud ap

> I don't like to install software. As a child of the web, my feet are firmly planted into the cloud. It's funny, I'm the exact opposite. I don't like cloud apps. One day they're there, next day half their features are removed, next day they're gone. And I can't hack them to make them better fits for me when they keep changing. I want the code to run on my machine so I can do anything I want to it and have a stable environment I can rely on.

TekMol 9y ago
I don't care if jsfiddle still exists tomorrow. I just use it to quickly try something and immediately share it with others. I don't put anything I care for on machines I don't own. I own many machines in the cloud. They are beautiful. Because they are all the same. They are virtual. They are cheap. I can create them with a click. There are so many vendors. If one of them would go away, it would not tamper with my ability to create new machines.
- throwaway613834 9y ago
  > I own many machines in the cloud. They are beautiful. I was talking about web apps, but w.r.t. VMs... sure, at the price of your pocket though? I can run my home computer all I want and not pay for anything except the electricity and internet.
- xg15 9y ago
  > I own many machines in the cloud. > They are virtual. They are cheap. I can create them with a click. If they are virtual, you don't own them. You own an 'I promise really really hard' of some vendor at best.
  - TekMol 9y ago
    I own the virtual thing. It's my data. Yes, the vendor could illegaly tamper with it. Or legaly stop providing me service. But the beauty of the cloud is that it would not affect me. Because I can replace any vendor with a click.
    - stephenr 9y ago
      I think you're confusing the buzzword "cloud" for "rented virtual server". None of which has anything at all to do with installing a fucking tool chain.

TekMol 9y ago

I don't care if jsfiddle still exists tomorrow. I just use it to quickly try something and immediately share it with others. I don't put anything I care for on machines I don't own. I own many machines in the cloud. They are beautiful. Because they are all the same. They are virtual. They are cheap. I can create them with a click. There are so many vendors. If one of them would go away, it would not tamper with my ability to create new machines.

throwaway613834 9y ago
> I own many machines in the cloud. They are beautiful. I was talking about web apps, but w.r.t. VMs... sure, at the price of your pocket though? I can run my home computer all I want and not pay for anything except the electricity and internet.
xg15 9y ago
> I own many machines in the cloud. > They are virtual. They are cheap. I can create them with a click. If they are virtual, you don't own them. You own an 'I promise really really hard' of some vendor at best.
- TekMol 9y ago
  I own the virtual thing. It's my data. Yes, the vendor could illegaly tamper with it. Or legaly stop providing me service. But the beauty of the cloud is that it would not affect me. Because I can replace any vendor with a click.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    I think you're confusing the buzzword "cloud" for "rented virtual server". None of which has anything at all to do with installing a fucking tool chain.