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They seem a bit higher than what I would normally expect for 2 year experience; sometimes a successful startup and some salary negotiations can give you a boost
by cjhanks 9y ago
They seem a bit higher than what I would normally expect for 2 year experience; sometimes a successful startup and some salary negotiations can give you a boost.
But recall: $1 USD (SFO) != $1 USD (Almost anywhere else).
And there are some other downsides, you work very long hours in a company of 70%+ men. I think quality of life in South Bay for most isn't as nice as much less affluent places. It depends on your cup of tea, I guess.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare/san-francisco-vs-chicago https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare...
- holydude 9y agoWhoa...such bias. Like working in a company of 70%+ males is a bad thing. Stop this madness please. The americans are known for working hard that's not a mystery.
- joshuamorton 9y agoTrue, but the total compensation here is at or above 250K annually. Most places in the US won't break 100K with 2 years of experience, and the cost of living is less than 2.5x as much. In other words, you still come out well ahead.
- cjhanks 9y agoMaybe. But checkout Austin cost of living https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare/san-francisco-vs-austin https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare... and stack overflow careers https://stackoverflow.com/jobs?sort=i&l=Austin%2C+TX%2C+United+States&d=20&u=Miles https://stackoverflow.com/jobs?sort=i&l=Austin%2C+TX%2C+Unit.... That's essentially a parallel move if you consider nerdwallet doesn't consider local tax rates (very high in SFO vs 0% in Texas).
- joshuamorton 9y agoAgain though, I don't know anyone 2 years in making 134K (the Austin-equivalent of 250K in SF) in Austin. I know more than one person 2 years in making that much in SF. And you're also ignoring that CoL calculators bias against high CoL areas in a few important ways.
- handbanana 9y agoWhen I had 2 years exp, I was offered 125k at a company in Austin. Not 134k, but I imagine that figure isn’t impossible
- usaphp 9y ago> And there are some other downsides, you work very long hours in a company of 70%+ men Why is it a downside for someone who has no bias against men? Would you call a downside working for example as a registered nurse just because there are too many women?
- siddharthdeswal 9y agoOr working in a coal mine with over 90% men?
- Bahamut 9y agoAt my BigCo, I am working maybe slightly more than 40 hours/week on average, and mainly due to unfortunate circumstances. Otherwise it’s pretty relaxed - I did mostly 5-6 hour days last week for example, and that includes meetings where I had to take company shuttles to get around to a different building. Also for comp, keep in mind that he is getting that sort of comp with two years of experience - I have met people with even less experience getting similar numbers (I know one with less experience with non-technical degree making even more). If you have the right experience/background, you can get such compensation. Just imagine what the comp is like when these people get experience under their belt at the big companies.
- siddharthdeswal 9y agoIs working in a company with 70%+ men really a bad thing, or are you just leaning on existing cultural biases?
- ChicagoDave 9y agoHaving a work culture that matches societal norms is just a healthy practice. It makes us all better people.
- ChicagoDave 9y agoAccording to that site, I'd need to make over $200k to meet my same standard of living, but I still think someone with two years experience can't come close to my knowledge of software development. There are inherent limitations. Of course if the job is to write code without any comment about the big picture and without complaint about hours, then maybe it is competitive. And that signing bonus? That just doesn't translate to the Midwest at all.
- syllogism 9y agoAll else being equal 32 years experience will count against, you though --- and this is quite rational... These companies want to hire for trajectory. If someone's gotten to a great level of skills 2 years out of university, that says good things about where they'll be in 5 or 10 years.
- scarface74 9y agoWe just bought a 5 bedroom, 3-1/2 bathroom house with a nice size separate office in the northern suburbs of Atlanta with about 2800 square feet. Brand new build for $335,000 with all of the niceties. I've looked on Zillow, the same square footage, much older home, would be around 2-4 million at least in San Francisco.
- softawre 9y agoYup, this is the major difference. The COL numbers can be explained away, but if you want space now and a retirement later then you can get by with much less work outside SF.