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In practice you can probably get away with explaining some fairly general rules that cover most of day to day life early on and defer detailed exception clauses

In practice you can probably get away with explaining some fairly general rules that cover most of day to day life early on and defer detailed exception clauses for later. Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically.

tonteldoos 9y ago
> Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically. And this is where so many people go wrong. Parents are teachers too, and it's their job to teach their children how to fit into society, behave, be decent people, etc. A lot of rules, like math tables, help you learn the basic foundational building blocks. Once you have those, you have a reference to understand more things. School is, basically, for most of the other stuff.
erasemus 9y ago
>Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically. Heh. My school published a list of rules which included: 'Any breach of common sense is also a breach of school rules.'
d0mine 9y ago
Gödel suggests If you can explain all the [sufficiently complex] rules; your system is inconsistent (contradictory rules are true). If the rules are consistent, some things can't be explained.
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- aleeds 9y ago
  That is so ridiculously poorly applied to the legal system. Your system of rules needs power too. Don't just spread lies.
  - dang 9y ago
    > Don't just spread lies. Would you mind editing out such name-calling from your comments here? The rest of your comment makes your point just fine. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Tsagadai 9y ago
  Learning that any sufficiently advanced system is usually inconsistent and breakable is one of life's most important lessons. Rules are contradictory, both in meaning and application. There is no master theorem and they are not consistently or evenly applied. The world is not fair and just. It is one of my main conflicts with homeschooling, the point of conventional schooling is that everyone must fit a mould and conforming to a structure. The lesson of that point is finding a way to deal with that conformity, you need to know the rules of hierarchical groups in order to break them or succeed inside or outside of them.
- slipperymate 9y ago
  I was unaware that explaining social rules to kids involved arithmetic.
- adrianN 9y ago
  First of all, Gödel talks about the provability of true statements in formal systems, not the explain-ability of laws, and second of all, in any nontrivial formal system there are things that can't be explained, namely the axioms.

tonteldoos 9y ago

> Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically. And this is where so many people go wrong. Parents are teachers too, and it's their job to teach their children how to fit into society, behave, be decent people, etc. A lot of rules, like math tables, help you learn the basic foundational building blocks. Once you have those, you have a reference to understand more things. School is, basically, for most of the other stuff.

erasemus 9y ago

>Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically. Heh. My school published a list of rules which included: 'Any breach of common sense is also a breach of school rules.'

d0mine 9y ago

Gödel suggests If you can explain all the [sufficiently complex] rules; your system is inconsistent (contradictory rules are true). If the rules are consistent, some things can't be explained.

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aleeds 9y ago
That is so ridiculously poorly applied to the legal system. Your system of rules needs power too. Don't just spread lies.
- dang 9y ago
  > Don't just spread lies. Would you mind editing out such name-calling from your comments here? The rest of your comment makes your point just fine. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Tsagadai 9y ago
Learning that any sufficiently advanced system is usually inconsistent and breakable is one of life's most important lessons. Rules are contradictory, both in meaning and application. There is no master theorem and they are not consistently or evenly applied. The world is not fair and just. It is one of my main conflicts with homeschooling, the point of conventional schooling is that everyone must fit a mould and conforming to a structure. The lesson of that point is finding a way to deal with that conformity, you need to know the rules of hierarchical groups in order to break them or succeed inside or outside of them.
slipperymate 9y ago
I was unaware that explaining social rules to kids involved arithmetic.
adrianN 9y ago
First of all, Gödel talks about the provability of true statements in formal systems, not the explain-ability of laws, and second of all, in any nontrivial formal system there are things that can't be explained, namely the axioms.