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Mal Lisp for TempleOS

120 points by bagnalla 9y ago

gravypod 9y ago
I'd love to see HolyC ported to Linux. The language seems like a pleasure to use with some interesting features.
- ebzzry 9y ago
  https://github.com/jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux https://github.com/jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux
  - davidgerard 9y ago
    > This tool is in super-hella-mega alpha stage. If you use this, you will die. Or worse, your current operating system will be replaced with TempleOS.
- partycoder 9y ago
  TempleOS has many interesting features, but remember that TempleOS is rather different at a very fundamental level. Meaning, both kernel and userland run on a privileged ring, the file system has no permissions, etc. This is not a flaw but it is rather by design. This is a paradigm that might be incompatible to that of Linux. However, I think there is potential for porting things. Some good articles about Temple OS are: - http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/ http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-temp... - https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-programs-to-templeos.html https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-program...
  - na85 9y ago
    >This is not a flaw but it is rather by design. Are you sure it isn't both? Designs can be flawed.
    - hateduser2 9y ago
      They probably meant that its not an accidental flaw, and if its a flaw its aware of the shortcomings. In other words its a measured deciscion, not a rough edge which will be ironed out. Unrelated, I really dislike comments like yours. Something about it seems very hostile to me.
      - Guthur 9y ago
        Lacking insight or a thoughtful line of questioning, but hardly what i would describe as hostile.
        hateduser2 9y ago
        I suppose I read it as theyre perfectly aware of my comment, and choose to make theres anyways. There are people (Myself included, in the past, hopefully no longer) who do that. I had a phase as a trump supporter who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for). Also I was hesitant to admit that I was banned previously, but I'm sure they have the data if they want it, and I'm making an effort to not repeat that behavior (and to me it seems like im not oing too bad a job) so hopefully they don't feel malice towards me (although they should feel some).
        rodgerd 9y ago
        > who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for). Satre described this many years ago: > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
- colemannugent 9y ago
  Inline graphics are pretty crazy. Might be useful for documentation though. Hyperlinks would make navigating large projects easier. Terry is a very interesting guy. He pops up every now and then.
  - vcmlvvd 9y ago
    That's Mr. Davis to you.
  - zaarn 9y ago
    Probably won't pop up anymore, he quit TempleOS, deleted most of the website, went on some trip to nature and has been arrested last I checked. It's quite sad to not be able to see such dedication to a project.
    - whatisausername 9y ago
      He did not quit TempleOS completely. He just went "monk-style" and deleted """only""" the documentation and such. He still uses it. Recently it seems that he is off of his medication and is going kind of crazy. Really sad to see such a talented guy getting fucked by schizophrenia.
    - willvarfar 9y ago
      Has he been arrested? There was a lot of tech news coverage of his warrant back around 3rd November, and he was on the run. Has he been caught?
      - zaarn 9y ago
        Afaik, yes, he's been arrested, there was some post on it in one of the TempleOS subreddits.
        mhd 9y ago
        "One of the TempleOS subreddits" is a phrase that's taking me a bit to digest…
- bagnalla 9y ago
  HolyC is great -- default arguments and built-in exception handling are big pluses over C. There are a few shortcomings, though, such as the lack of short-circuiting logical operators and some unfortunate behavior related to variable declarations within nested scopes (just avoid doing that IMO).
  - zaarn 9y ago
    The issues can probably be fixed by writing a bit of a better compiler, HolyC2 maybe?
    - breakingcups 9y ago
      Alternatively, HolyC++ or HolyD.
      - zaarn 9y ago
        Ideally a HolyC++ would be able to compile normal HolyC without any changes to the source while also adding new stuff and while not being C++ in the process. That all would be very neat.
      - snvzz 9y ago
        More like unholy.
      - mmjaa 9y ago
        HolyMoly, duh.
    - bagnalla 9y ago
      I've thought about using this Lisp interpreter to bootstrap a compiler for a new language, probably targeting HolyC. If someone were to write some decent lexer/parser generator tools in HolyC it would go a long way in making something like that possible.
    - dawnbreez 9y ago
      Call it Protestant.
partycoder 9y ago
Terry Davis (TempleOS author) is now homeless and living in a van.
- moocowtruck 9y ago
  would be nice if someone could find him a place to live instead of a van
  - partycoder 9y ago
    I am not sure that's enough. Given the severity of his condition, I think he needs some sort of supervision and treatment. Living in a vehicle, without a job, without medical treatment and driving around doesn't seem safe.
    - bfuller 9y ago
      Unfortunately the state of mental health care is somewhere between prison and a homeless shelter
- SomeHacker44 9y ago
  At first I thought this was a joke, but then I noticed it didn't end with "...down by the river." What a shame.
Qw3r7 9y ago
They glow in the dark

120 points by bagnalla 9y ago

gravypod 9y ago

I'd love to see HolyC ported to Linux. The language seems like a pleasure to use with some interesting features.

ebzzry 9y ago
https://github.com/jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux https://github.com/jamesalbert/HolyC-for-Linux
- davidgerard 9y ago
  > This tool is in super-hella-mega alpha stage. If you use this, you will die. Or worse, your current operating system will be replaced with TempleOS.
partycoder 9y ago
TempleOS has many interesting features, but remember that TempleOS is rather different at a very fundamental level. Meaning, both kernel and userland run on a privileged ring, the file system has no permissions, etc. This is not a flaw but it is rather by design. This is a paradigm that might be incompatible to that of Linux. However, I think there is potential for porting things. Some good articles about Temple OS are: - http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/ http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-temp... - https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-programs-to-templeos.html https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-program...
- na85 9y ago
  >This is not a flaw but it is rather by design. Are you sure it isn't both? Designs can be flawed.
  - hateduser2 9y ago
    They probably meant that its not an accidental flaw, and if its a flaw its aware of the shortcomings. In other words its a measured deciscion, not a rough edge which will be ironed out. Unrelated, I really dislike comments like yours. Something about it seems very hostile to me.
    - Guthur 9y ago
      Lacking insight or a thoughtful line of questioning, but hardly what i would describe as hostile.
      - hateduser2 9y ago
        I suppose I read it as theyre perfectly aware of my comment, and choose to make theres anyways. There are people (Myself included, in the past, hopefully no longer) who do that. I had a phase as a trump supporter who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for). Also I was hesitant to admit that I was banned previously, but I'm sure they have the data if they want it, and I'm making an effort to not repeat that behavior (and to me it seems like im not oing too bad a job) so hopefully they don't feel malice towards me (although they should feel some).
        rodgerd 9y ago
        > who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for). Satre described this many years ago: > “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
colemannugent 9y ago
Inline graphics are pretty crazy. Might be useful for documentation though. Hyperlinks would make navigating large projects easier. Terry is a very interesting guy. He pops up every now and then.
- vcmlvvd 9y ago
  That's Mr. Davis to you.
- zaarn 9y ago
  Probably won't pop up anymore, he quit TempleOS, deleted most of the website, went on some trip to nature and has been arrested last I checked. It's quite sad to not be able to see such dedication to a project.
  - whatisausername 9y ago
    He did not quit TempleOS completely. He just went "monk-style" and deleted """only""" the documentation and such. He still uses it. Recently it seems that he is off of his medication and is going kind of crazy. Really sad to see such a talented guy getting fucked by schizophrenia.
  - willvarfar 9y ago
    Has he been arrested? There was a lot of tech news coverage of his warrant back around 3rd November, and he was on the run. Has he been caught?
    - zaarn 9y ago
      Afaik, yes, he's been arrested, there was some post on it in one of the TempleOS subreddits.
      - mhd 9y ago
        "One of the TempleOS subreddits" is a phrase that's taking me a bit to digest…
bagnalla 9y ago
HolyC is great -- default arguments and built-in exception handling are big pluses over C. There are a few shortcomings, though, such as the lack of short-circuiting logical operators and some unfortunate behavior related to variable declarations within nested scopes (just avoid doing that IMO).
- zaarn 9y ago
  The issues can probably be fixed by writing a bit of a better compiler, HolyC2 maybe?
  - breakingcups 9y ago
    Alternatively, HolyC++ or HolyD.
    - zaarn 9y ago
      Ideally a HolyC++ would be able to compile normal HolyC without any changes to the source while also adding new stuff and while not being C++ in the process. That all would be very neat.
    - snvzz 9y ago
      More like unholy.
    - mmjaa 9y ago
      HolyMoly, duh.
  - bagnalla 9y ago
    I've thought about using this Lisp interpreter to bootstrap a compiler for a new language, probably targeting HolyC. If someone were to write some decent lexer/parser generator tools in HolyC it would go a long way in making something like that possible.
  - dawnbreez 9y ago
    Call it Protestant.

partycoder 9y ago

Terry Davis (TempleOS author) is now homeless and living in a van.

moocowtruck 9y ago
would be nice if someone could find him a place to live instead of a van
- partycoder 9y ago
  I am not sure that's enough. Given the severity of his condition, I think he needs some sort of supervision and treatment. Living in a vehicle, without a job, without medical treatment and driving around doesn't seem safe.
  - bfuller 9y ago
    Unfortunately the state of mental health care is somewhere between prison and a homeless shelter
SomeHacker44 9y ago
At first I thought this was a joke, but then I noticed it didn't end with "...down by the river." What a shame.

Qw3r7 9y ago

They glow in the dark