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This seems like a reasonable way to police. My only issue is if the drones can be 'heard' flying over a location. For example, buzzing over a specific house or

This seems like a reasonable way to police. My only issue is if the drones can be 'heard' flying over a location. For example, buzzing over a specific house or business. Neighbors would automatically assume danger or guilt. If they drone, they should stay out of ear-range from anyone on the ground. Nobody should hear surveillance.

Fnoord 9y ago
As for your issue, hearing the sound is a form of noise pollution. Its generally acceptable to have that during 9 to 5 but not during the night. Because it interferes with people's sleep, you can call the cops for a complaint. Not sure what they'd do if the drone owner is the FBI though. As for the long term health effects of surveillance, we got Das Leben Der Anderen (The Lives Of Others) [1] already but additionally I'm anticipating seeing that covered in the documentary The Feeling of Being Watched about Operation Vulgar Betrayal. Quoting the About page [2]: "In the Arab-American neighborhood outside of Chicago where director Assia Boundaoui grew up, most of her neighbors think they have been under surveillance for over a decade. While investigating their experiences, Assia uncovers hundreds of pages of declassified FBI documents that prove her hometown was the subject of one of the largest counterterrorism investigations ever conducted in the U.S. before 9/11 – code-named “Operation Vulgar Betrayal.” With unprecedented access, The Feeling of Being Watched weaves the personal and the political as it follows the filmmaker’s examination of why her community fell under blanket government surveillance. Assia struggles to disrupt the government secrecy shrouding what happened to her neighborhood in the 90’s and probes why her community feels like they’re still being watched today. In the process, she confronts long-hidden truths about the FBI’s relationship to her community. The Feeling of Being Watched follows Assia as she pieces together this secret FBI operation, while grappling with the effects of a lifetime of surveillance on herself and her family." Documentary is scheduled for 2018. Kickstarter page [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others [2] http://www.feelingofbeingwatched.com/about http://www.feelingofbeingwatched.com/about [3] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beingwatched/the-feeling-of-being-watched-a-documentary-film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beingwatched/the-feelin...
patcheudor 9y ago
> My only issue is if the drones can be 'heard' flying over a location. Surveillance drones are quiet and fly high enough they can't be heard and are hard to spot. The only reason to fly them low enough to be heard or seen is for intimidation.
StanislavPetrov 9y ago
What, then, is an unreasonable way to police? Is it okay with you that many of these flights have infrared and other technology that lets agents of the state monitor and listen to you in your own home, in addition to ubiquitous tracking? If the enforcement of law is all that matters, why stop at 24/7 surveillance of all people, all the time? Without freedom and privacy, what good is the law? If physical safety is your only concern surely we'd all be more safe if we were locked in our own individual cells, all the time.
- Houshalter 9y ago
  I have no problem with surveillance if it stops crime. Private surveillance cameras are already pretty much everywhere and no one seems to mind. My ideal form of surveillance would be passive though. The data would be recorded, but no human would have access to it without something like a search warrant. And everything would be deleted after a week. Just like with private surveillance cameras.

Fnoord 9y ago

As for your issue, hearing the sound is a form of noise pollution. Its generally acceptable to have that during 9 to 5 but not during the night. Because it interferes with people's sleep, you can call the cops for a complaint. Not sure what they'd do if the drone owner is the FBI though. As for the long term health effects of surveillance, we got Das Leben Der Anderen (The Lives Of Others) [1] already but additionally I'm anticipating seeing that covered in the documentary The Feeling of Being Watched about Operation Vulgar Betrayal. Quoting the About page [2]: "In the Arab-American neighborhood outside of Chicago where director Assia Boundaoui grew up, most of her neighbors think they have been under surveillance for over a decade. While investigating their experiences, Assia uncovers hundreds of pages of declassified FBI documents that prove her hometown was the subject of one of the largest counterterrorism investigations ever conducted in the U.S. before 9/11 – code-named “Operation Vulgar Betrayal.” With unprecedented access, The Feeling of Being Watched weaves the personal and the political as it follows the filmmaker’s examination of why her community fell under blanket government surveillance. Assia struggles to disrupt the government secrecy shrouding what happened to her neighborhood in the 90’s and probes why her community feels like they’re still being watched today. In the process, she confronts long-hidden truths about the FBI’s relationship to her community. The Feeling of Being Watched follows Assia as she pieces together this secret FBI operation, while grappling with the effects of a lifetime of surveillance on herself and her family." Documentary is scheduled for 2018. Kickstarter page [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others [2] http://www.feelingofbeingwatched.com/about http://www.feelingofbeingwatched.com/about [3] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beingwatched/the-feeling-of-being-watched-a-documentary-film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/beingwatched/the-feelin...

patcheudor 9y ago

> My only issue is if the drones can be 'heard' flying over a location. Surveillance drones are quiet and fly high enough they can't be heard and are hard to spot. The only reason to fly them low enough to be heard or seen is for intimidation.

StanislavPetrov 9y ago

What, then, is an unreasonable way to police? Is it okay with you that many of these flights have infrared and other technology that lets agents of the state monitor and listen to you in your own home, in addition to ubiquitous tracking? If the enforcement of law is all that matters, why stop at 24/7 surveillance of all people, all the time? Without freedom and privacy, what good is the law? If physical safety is your only concern surely we'd all be more safe if we were locked in our own individual cells, all the time.

Houshalter 9y ago
I have no problem with surveillance if it stops crime. Private surveillance cameras are already pretty much everywhere and no one seems to mind. My ideal form of surveillance would be passive though. The data would be recorded, but no human would have access to it without something like a search warrant. And everything would be deleted after a week. Just like with private surveillance cameras.