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You are spot on. I am homeless because I don't work, but really all I desire is a good spot to put my tent. Of course I enjoy free food and amenities such as t

You are spot on. I am homeless because I don't work, but really all I desire is a good spot to put my tent. Of course I enjoy free food and amenities such as the library, but I also volunteer at the soup kitchens and some other functions from time-to-time at least. I have no desire to work 50 hours or more a week at a thankless job at this time. That does not mean I'm comfortable with being a "smooch", just that I think it's kind of irrelevant. We need to give up the blame/excuses game and focus on the health of communities as a whole.

extra88 9y ago
You get paid to do a job, why do you need thanks as well? I wonder if your current lifestyle will make it difficult to transition to another lifestyle when it's no longer sustainable or you tire of it. At least you're volunteering and as odd as I find it to be homeless and spending time on this site, it suggests an interest in and connection to activities that will work out later. BTW, a mooch is someone who lives off others ("to mooch" is also a verb). A smooch is slang for a kiss.
- coding123 9y ago
  Many of the people that ditch society find it much better than society, and love living outdoors and traveling wherever. It doesn't mean those people don't code - I have met quite a few of us on the road that code and live in dilapidated trailers, work for free/ volunteer for churches. As odd as it may seem to _you_, its not this lifestyle that is trapping its the housed one. You would have to live it to understand.
  - extra88 9y ago
    I try to keep an open mind about different lifestyles but I know I'm fairly risk-averse so it can be hard to relate. It's also more difficult to live that way when others are depending upon you.
    - cyberpunk0 9y ago
      Your perception of what qualifies as an open mind is relative. As far as being risk adverse, that indicates a closed mindedness and fear of things outside your comfort zone. You are not nor ever we're "safe", nor can you ever be. Control is an illusion of man when played against the greater backdrop of reality and authority a fickle joke. Culture is not your friend, your choice to play the game of American industrialism and "capitalism version X.Y" is your own by way of you giving others power over you. You are the only true authority in your life, not your parents, not your wife, not your boss, not your friends. Emotion does not translate to text well, I hope you have not taken my words as insult, they were meant to be emotionless but reflective.
      - catawbasam 9y ago
        Love binds people in ways raw power does not, but its yoke is light.
      - extra88 9y ago
        You’re funny.
- kurtisc 9y ago
  >You get paid to do a job, why do you need thanks as well? Esteem is one of Maslow's deficiency needs.
  - drdeadringer 9y ago
    I've always enjoyed being thanked for doing something, regardless of if I loved or hated doing it and also regardless of if I was paid or unpaid in the doing.
    - memorymappings 9y ago
      Ok this is pretty random but I think it's a bad habit to actively like the idea of assess the need for thanks as a requirement. Why because you're setting yourself up for failure. It's nice to get thanks and consider it a surrendeptious gift or happy moment but to consider it any more than that just highlights all the times you need thanks. Furthermore, you shouldn't do anything for the thanks of others. If you do what's best for you you'll probably be satisfied and if you so something for someone else be it an individual an organization or otherwise it should be because of a reason that you've resolved the thing you're doing is worth the donation of effort and time whether it's to help a friend, family member or an organization (excluding paid jobs like volunteering and I say do something as in volunteer effort or time). People who need to be thanked and actually end up working for charities churches and other such things for credit, self worth or priase end up being the most obnoxus and ultimately selfish people in those organizations and lose sight of the best next thing to do for the purpose of that thing or person or organization because they are consumed with having their own praise highlighted. With personal friend said family needing thanks is like holding something over someone's head. For example, I don't take ask or accept money from family (no judgment to people who do or really need to) because in my family they will hold it over your head forever and want a million other things from you and endlessly guilt trip you so it's not worth it to me but I've also been fortunate to never really have been in such a desperate spot. The point, people who perpetuate that attitude end up being the people who, like the other day, someone scoffed at me sarcastically and only at that point did I realize that they had apparently opened the door for me and I had not noticed and insulted them by not saying thanks. Now, this seems rude of me for sure but let's pause in this for a second to look at this further, given the situation I was in it was not reasonable that I would notice at all for a host of reasons, but furthermore, when you do a small something for a random stranger you should accept you know literally nothing about their life or current situation so to immediately judge their behavior towards you for something they never asked you or bothered you for is actually ridiculous, and finally if you opened the door for someone and are so worked up about it that merely not getting an oral thanks makes you vocally angry hostile and upset this is mildly disturbing right? Who are you angry at? What were you expecting. If you're opening the door for someone to genuinely help them and make their day better, another way to look at if is all the more grateful you should feel if you opened the door for someone who was so busy or having such a bad day they wouldn't even notice. You just made their life better and they didn't even realize it. But aha, it's the fact that you need recognition from a random stranger that is the issue with you, and not the person who've you've chosen to be mad at because you've decided they have acted unjustly towards you. I always look for people who are seeking recognition and extra appreciation and are wary of them because in my mind they need it, they will topple over people to get it, or will feel entitled to things and their satisfaction depends on external praise which makes me nervous and question their own internal compass. Especially in business. On the flipside, especially personally outside of professional situations but also in professional situations, I find people who are giving, humble and expect nothing in return I can potebtially trust because I know they are helping me without wanting something in return. Also people I find who are truly successful in their own right are giving in general and have helpful hearts and want to see other people do well. People always playing the ioweu uowme game is too stressful. That being said I'm an engineer so when my professional work environment starts to feel like a game of politics I'm outty. So maybe this is an outlier opinion but I think people tend to gravitate towards humble trusting workers. Maybe people who need thanks and recognition don't do well in corporate environments because pay is not enough and getting recognition consistently is something almost noone gets not even ceos and faces of famously successful companies, they are the most prone to scruinty and judgment and controversy and that will always scale to be true the more you seek out positions where praise is apart of the incentive package.
- ttonkytonk 9y ago
  I don't literally need thanks, but it needs to be something that doesn't make me miserable. It seems restaurants stay competitive by being high stress. I don't code BTW; I found HN by chance and noticed there are many general interest articles so I don't see it as a problem.
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  - extra88 9y ago
    Many people do those jobs and aren’t miserable. That doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with you if you would be. I don’t know what made you think of restaurant work but most are not busy all the time. It’s true that most are low-paying and often tiring. I didn’t assume you code, I don’t really.
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  1. Most people don't get paid well these days. So--that non-union blue collar job becomes thankless. It usually pays just enough to keep you with a roof over your head. 2. I sincerely miss not exploring different life styles out of college. I miss not taking that extended motorcycle trip across the USA, after a nervous breakdown. 3. Do I advocate being homeless--hell no. Why--because it's just too hard, and we don't have adaquate safety nets. 4. I don't regret not getting married, nor having kids. I feel like I dodged a bullet. I do regret not taking more chances in life though. 5. Save your post, and read it again when you're fifty. 6. Oh, yea I know many homeless who are on HN daily. Many were fired from their cushy tech jobs once they hit 45. Way too many were former Programmers. Plus, most posts on HN aren't focused on being the next Zuckerburg.
- baddox 9y ago
  Sorry for the tangent, but I had never heard “mooch” as a noun. I’ve always heard and said “moocher.”
TaylorGood 9y ago
What we all value differently is the word "lifestyle" – the time that goes into creating systems where qualify of life increases is worthy of my XX/hours per week. It's also safe to say that not every career requiring heavier hours is thankless. What if it's your own creation? Of course there is no one size fits all, but once you are exposed to a greater existence that door never closes.
good-econ1351 9y ago
This is why leftism is a cancer on society. It enables people like you.

extra88 9y ago

You get paid to do a job, why do you need thanks as well? I wonder if your current lifestyle will make it difficult to transition to another lifestyle when it's no longer sustainable or you tire of it. At least you're volunteering and as odd as I find it to be homeless and spending time on this site, it suggests an interest in and connection to activities that will work out later. BTW, a mooch is someone who lives off others ("to mooch" is also a verb). A smooch is slang for a kiss.

coding123 9y ago
Many of the people that ditch society find it much better than society, and love living outdoors and traveling wherever. It doesn't mean those people don't code - I have met quite a few of us on the road that code and live in dilapidated trailers, work for free/ volunteer for churches. As odd as it may seem to _you_, its not this lifestyle that is trapping its the housed one. You would have to live it to understand.
- extra88 9y ago
  I try to keep an open mind about different lifestyles but I know I'm fairly risk-averse so it can be hard to relate. It's also more difficult to live that way when others are depending upon you.
  - cyberpunk0 9y ago
    Your perception of what qualifies as an open mind is relative. As far as being risk adverse, that indicates a closed mindedness and fear of things outside your comfort zone. You are not nor ever we're "safe", nor can you ever be. Control is an illusion of man when played against the greater backdrop of reality and authority a fickle joke. Culture is not your friend, your choice to play the game of American industrialism and "capitalism version X.Y" is your own by way of you giving others power over you. You are the only true authority in your life, not your parents, not your wife, not your boss, not your friends. Emotion does not translate to text well, I hope you have not taken my words as insult, they were meant to be emotionless but reflective.
    - catawbasam 9y ago
      Love binds people in ways raw power does not, but its yoke is light.
    - extra88 9y ago
      You’re funny.
kurtisc 9y ago
>You get paid to do a job, why do you need thanks as well? Esteem is one of Maslow's deficiency needs.
- drdeadringer 9y ago
  I've always enjoyed being thanked for doing something, regardless of if I loved or hated doing it and also regardless of if I was paid or unpaid in the doing.
  - memorymappings 9y ago
    Ok this is pretty random but I think it's a bad habit to actively like the idea of assess the need for thanks as a requirement. Why because you're setting yourself up for failure. It's nice to get thanks and consider it a surrendeptious gift or happy moment but to consider it any more than that just highlights all the times you need thanks. Furthermore, you shouldn't do anything for the thanks of others. If you do what's best for you you'll probably be satisfied and if you so something for someone else be it an individual an organization or otherwise it should be because of a reason that you've resolved the thing you're doing is worth the donation of effort and time whether it's to help a friend, family member or an organization (excluding paid jobs like volunteering and I say do something as in volunteer effort or time). People who need to be thanked and actually end up working for charities churches and other such things for credit, self worth or priase end up being the most obnoxus and ultimately selfish people in those organizations and lose sight of the best next thing to do for the purpose of that thing or person or organization because they are consumed with having their own praise highlighted. With personal friend said family needing thanks is like holding something over someone's head. For example, I don't take ask or accept money from family (no judgment to people who do or really need to) because in my family they will hold it over your head forever and want a million other things from you and endlessly guilt trip you so it's not worth it to me but I've also been fortunate to never really have been in such a desperate spot. The point, people who perpetuate that attitude end up being the people who, like the other day, someone scoffed at me sarcastically and only at that point did I realize that they had apparently opened the door for me and I had not noticed and insulted them by not saying thanks. Now, this seems rude of me for sure but let's pause in this for a second to look at this further, given the situation I was in it was not reasonable that I would notice at all for a host of reasons, but furthermore, when you do a small something for a random stranger you should accept you know literally nothing about their life or current situation so to immediately judge their behavior towards you for something they never asked you or bothered you for is actually ridiculous, and finally if you opened the door for someone and are so worked up about it that merely not getting an oral thanks makes you vocally angry hostile and upset this is mildly disturbing right? Who are you angry at? What were you expecting. If you're opening the door for someone to genuinely help them and make their day better, another way to look at if is all the more grateful you should feel if you opened the door for someone who was so busy or having such a bad day they wouldn't even notice. You just made their life better and they didn't even realize it. But aha, it's the fact that you need recognition from a random stranger that is the issue with you, and not the person who've you've chosen to be mad at because you've decided they have acted unjustly towards you. I always look for people who are seeking recognition and extra appreciation and are wary of them because in my mind they need it, they will topple over people to get it, or will feel entitled to things and their satisfaction depends on external praise which makes me nervous and question their own internal compass. Especially in business. On the flipside, especially personally outside of professional situations but also in professional situations, I find people who are giving, humble and expect nothing in return I can potebtially trust because I know they are helping me without wanting something in return. Also people I find who are truly successful in their own right are giving in general and have helpful hearts and want to see other people do well. People always playing the ioweu uowme game is too stressful. That being said I'm an engineer so when my professional work environment starts to feel like a game of politics I'm outty. So maybe this is an outlier opinion but I think people tend to gravitate towards humble trusting workers. Maybe people who need thanks and recognition don't do well in corporate environments because pay is not enough and getting recognition consistently is something almost noone gets not even ceos and faces of famously successful companies, they are the most prone to scruinty and judgment and controversy and that will always scale to be true the more you seek out positions where praise is apart of the incentive package.
ttonkytonk 9y ago
I don't literally need thanks, but it needs to be something that doesn't make me miserable. It seems restaurants stay competitive by being high stress. I don't code BTW; I found HN by chance and noticed there are many general interest articles so I don't see it as a problem.
- deleted 9y ago
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- extra88 9y ago
  Many people do those jobs and aren’t miserable. That doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with you if you would be. I don’t know what made you think of restaurant work but most are not busy all the time. It’s true that most are low-paying and often tiring. I didn’t assume you code, I don’t really.
icantdrive55 9y ago
1. Most people don't get paid well these days. So--that non-union blue collar job becomes thankless. It usually pays just enough to keep you with a roof over your head. 2. I sincerely miss not exploring different life styles out of college. I miss not taking that extended motorcycle trip across the USA, after a nervous breakdown. 3. Do I advocate being homeless--hell no. Why--because it's just too hard, and we don't have adaquate safety nets. 4. I don't regret not getting married, nor having kids. I feel like I dodged a bullet. I do regret not taking more chances in life though. 5. Save your post, and read it again when you're fifty. 6. Oh, yea I know many homeless who are on HN daily. Many were fired from their cushy tech jobs once they hit 45. Way too many were former Programmers. Plus, most posts on HN aren't focused on being the next Zuckerburg.
baddox 9y ago
Sorry for the tangent, but I had never heard “mooch” as a noun. I’ve always heard and said “moocher.”

TaylorGood 9y ago

What we all value differently is the word "lifestyle" – the time that goes into creating systems where qualify of life increases is worthy of my XX/hours per week. It's also safe to say that not every career requiring heavier hours is thankless. What if it's your own creation? Of course there is no one size fits all, but once you are exposed to a greater existence that door never closes.

good-econ1351 9y ago

This is why leftism is a cancer on society. It enables people like you.