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>That is a completely fine and reasonable position as an individual, but that cannot be the position of someone in the military. Well I have to go Godwin on th
by syshum 9y ago
>That is a completely fine and reasonable position as an individual, but that cannot be the position of someone in the military.
Well I have to go Godwin on that... So you hold the soldiers that put then Jews in the oven blameless for their unethical and immoral actions because "they were just following orders"
That defense never worked in Nuremberg.
The idea that unethical actions should simply be dismissed because you were ordered by someone that claims higher authority to commit an unethical action is absurd to me.
>That is a completely fine and reasonable position as an individual, but that cannot be the position of someone in the military.
The comment we are all replying to is not "someone in the military" but someone that has been discharged from the military and is continuing to support this unethical position.
>the civilian government which has decided, in accordance with all its laws, that the things you object to are legal and right.
They may have decided they are legal, that is all.
Legal and ethical are very very different
>Any blame here falls entirely on the civilian government
Nope, I can blame everyone involved. "Just following orders" is not a valid defense IMO
- saas_co_de 9y ago> That defense never worked in Nuremberg. In the Nuremberg trials only a handful of high political and military officials were charged and convicted. The individual soldiers who actually carried out atrocities on their orders were never charged. Many mid-level Nazi officials who were certainly complicit were not charged at all and went on to form the post-war government. History is not as black-and-white or pleasant as you seem to believe it is. > Nope, I can blame everyone involved. In that case, also blame the tax payers, who are the ones who fund all of this.
- syshum 9y ago>>In that case, also blame the tax payers, who are the ones who fund all of this. So you are under the mythical belief that Taxation is voluntarily, when in reality taxation is involuntary theft if you refuse they will come and take it from you, if you resist their taking your property they will put you in a cage and if you resist them putting you in a cage they will kill you. Taxation is in no way a voluntary act >>The individual soldiers who actually carried out atrocities on their orders were never charged. They should have been