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I think you misunderstood my comment. The point is not the amount of work involved - there are many "lifestyle" businesses that are hardly any work at all. I

I think you misunderstood my comment. The point is not the amount of work involved - there are many "lifestyle" businesses that are hardly any work at all. I run an online currency exchange website that takes about 3 hours of my time / day, and does provide a "nice living." I'm not trying to brag - trust me, it's still not fun. The reason (for me, at least) that lifestyle businesses suck is because they're not focused on growth. They're more about an immediate, positive, cash flow - the low risk alternative. Contrast that to startups, where you're building something that could potentially be very big, and positively impact a lot of lives. Now that's a pretty good "lifestyle."

BitGeek 20y ago
The problem is that the term "lifestyle business" is just derogatory-- it has no meaning. Who are you to say that lifestyle businesses are not focused on growth? Or that they cant' grow fast and change large numbers of people's lives? There's a big difference between a restaruant and craigslist.
- sbraford 20y ago
  "There's a big difference between a restaruant and craigslist." Awesome point. I'm in the same boat to a degree -- I have several businesses that throw off a combined $3-5k per month in cashflow. Nothing to sneeze at, but you have to start somewhere. Also just sold one "lifestyle business" (was only putting in 1 hour a month on it, literally) for low to mid five figures. "Startups" seem to have that Get Big Fast mentality, where you're either the next YouTube in 18 months, or you're a failure. But it doesn't have to be that way...
  - dpapathanasiou 20y ago
    "Startups" seem to have that Get Big Fast mentality, where you're either the next YouTube in 18 months, or you're a failure. But it doesn't have to be that way... That's exactly the point I was trying to make; well said.
- Sam_Odio 19y ago
  Who are you to say that lifestyle businesses are not focused on growth? Or that they cant' grow fast and change large numbers of people's lives? A basic principle of finance is that you can either reinvest profits into your business, to pursue growth, OR you can withdraw profits as dividends. A lifestyle business is one that supports you, paying dividends early on. The owner(s) are withdrawing cash from the company. For a refresher on the definition of a lifestyle business vs. a high growth business, see http://www.indianaventurecenter.org/faqs.asp#7 http://www.indianaventurecenter.org/faqs.asp#7 So the question is - are you interested in growth, or the cash? Personally, I'm interested in growth. I want to build a company that touches as many lives as possible. It's OK to want to build a company that generates cash, but don't pretend like you can pursue both cash and growth simultaneously. If your pursuing growth, you're spending cash. If you're taking out cash, you're scarifying growth.

BitGeek 20y ago

The problem is that the term "lifestyle business" is just derogatory-- it has no meaning. Who are you to say that lifestyle businesses are not focused on growth? Or that they cant' grow fast and change large numbers of people's lives? There's a big difference between a restaruant and craigslist.

sbraford 20y ago
"There's a big difference between a restaruant and craigslist." Awesome point. I'm in the same boat to a degree -- I have several businesses that throw off a combined $3-5k per month in cashflow. Nothing to sneeze at, but you have to start somewhere. Also just sold one "lifestyle business" (was only putting in 1 hour a month on it, literally) for low to mid five figures. "Startups" seem to have that Get Big Fast mentality, where you're either the next YouTube in 18 months, or you're a failure. But it doesn't have to be that way...
- dpapathanasiou 20y ago
  "Startups" seem to have that Get Big Fast mentality, where you're either the next YouTube in 18 months, or you're a failure. But it doesn't have to be that way... That's exactly the point I was trying to make; well said.
Sam_Odio 19y ago
Who are you to say that lifestyle businesses are not focused on growth? Or that they cant' grow fast and change large numbers of people's lives? A basic principle of finance is that you can either reinvest profits into your business, to pursue growth, OR you can withdraw profits as dividends. A lifestyle business is one that supports you, paying dividends early on. The owner(s) are withdrawing cash from the company. For a refresher on the definition of a lifestyle business vs. a high growth business, see http://www.indianaventurecenter.org/faqs.asp#7 http://www.indianaventurecenter.org/faqs.asp#7 So the question is - are you interested in growth, or the cash? Personally, I'm interested in growth. I want to build a company that touches as many lives as possible. It's OK to want to build a company that generates cash, but don't pretend like you can pursue both cash and growth simultaneously. If your pursuing growth, you're spending cash. If you're taking out cash, you're scarifying growth.