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The same reason why most people work anywhere? It's hard to find a job these days, much less a well paying one.

pimmen 9y ago
So they tell themselves they have a right to a well paying job and that their right to a good livelihood is more important than the rights of the people Uber screws over?
- ajkjk 9y ago
  ...yes? people have done ethically questionable or outright evil things for money for all of history. Why would it stop now?
- alexasmyths 9y ago
  Tell us who is getting 'screwed over' by Uber? It's 100's of millions of riders who come back day after day for more rides? The drivers who actively come back to work for Uber but could stop at any moment?
  - pimmen 9y ago
    If I were to present to you individual cases of people being knowingly screwed over by Uber, is your argument then that if millions of other people benefit it's all worth it? Lets say many people are angry that Uber kept it hidden that their personal information was hacked and feel knowingly screwed over, to start with. Are you going to let Uber off the hook because a nice ride at a nice price is more than enough compensation?
    - alexasmyths 9y ago
      There are tons of 'individuals' who have been screwed over by most large organizations. Does that make them all evil. Many organizations have kept hacks secret. We also don't know about hacks which have not yet been made public or won't be. We don't know what was compromised - moreover - this is something that probably a very, very small team in Uber will contend with - it's not necessarily systematic. Google steals my personal information all day long and sells it to the highest bidder - I'd much rather privacy from Google than anything from Uber. I can ride another cab any time, Google is not easy to change away from.
      - pimmen 9y ago
        Your defense basically boils down to "what about other companies?" or comparing the bad things Uber does to all the value it delivers. Maybe I'm missing something? I can tolerate a company doing something bad, taking responsibility and paying its dues. I cannot tolerate a company where illegal and unethical activities are going on all the time yet management covers their own asses (Kalanick left, the board didn't formally fire him). If Kalanick had resigned when that self driving car, driving around without proper permits, ran that red light for example it would be easier to not get the feeling this is systemic.
        alexasmyths 9y ago
        This position is based on perception, hype, PR and spurious press reports. Uber is generally not any worse than most other organizations - and so, yes, we all have to live with this ambiguity. + Hacks happen all the time. The vast majority are not reported. + All companies engage in aggressive capture of others IP. Google and FB are both notorious for working with companies long enough to find out their 'secret sauce' and then copying them. Uber's mistake - in your eyes - was naming the group dedicated to it, whilst at other companies, it's common operating procedure. The fundamental difference between Google, FB and Uber mostly boils down to PR - that - and the fact that Uber has to actually employ large quantities of people in irregular situations. I don't like Uber - but I feel safer with them than Google - who knows everything about me and will do as they please with that information.
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So they tell themselves they have a right to a well paying job and that their right to a good livelihood is more important than the rights of the people Uber screws over?

ajkjk 9y ago
...yes? people have done ethically questionable or outright evil things for money for all of history. Why would it stop now?
alexasmyths 9y ago
Tell us who is getting 'screwed over' by Uber? It's 100's of millions of riders who come back day after day for more rides? The drivers who actively come back to work for Uber but could stop at any moment?
- pimmen 9y ago
  If I were to present to you individual cases of people being knowingly screwed over by Uber, is your argument then that if millions of other people benefit it's all worth it? Lets say many people are angry that Uber kept it hidden that their personal information was hacked and feel knowingly screwed over, to start with. Are you going to let Uber off the hook because a nice ride at a nice price is more than enough compensation?
  - alexasmyths 9y ago
    There are tons of 'individuals' who have been screwed over by most large organizations. Does that make them all evil. Many organizations have kept hacks secret. We also don't know about hacks which have not yet been made public or won't be. We don't know what was compromised - moreover - this is something that probably a very, very small team in Uber will contend with - it's not necessarily systematic. Google steals my personal information all day long and sells it to the highest bidder - I'd much rather privacy from Google than anything from Uber. I can ride another cab any time, Google is not easy to change away from.
    - pimmen 9y ago
      Your defense basically boils down to "what about other companies?" or comparing the bad things Uber does to all the value it delivers. Maybe I'm missing something? I can tolerate a company doing something bad, taking responsibility and paying its dues. I cannot tolerate a company where illegal and unethical activities are going on all the time yet management covers their own asses (Kalanick left, the board didn't formally fire him). If Kalanick had resigned when that self driving car, driving around without proper permits, ran that red light for example it would be easier to not get the feeling this is systemic.
      - alexasmyths 9y ago
        This position is based on perception, hype, PR and spurious press reports. Uber is generally not any worse than most other organizations - and so, yes, we all have to live with this ambiguity. + Hacks happen all the time. The vast majority are not reported. + All companies engage in aggressive capture of others IP. Google and FB are both notorious for working with companies long enough to find out their 'secret sauce' and then copying them. Uber's mistake - in your eyes - was naming the group dedicated to it, whilst at other companies, it's common operating procedure. The fundamental difference between Google, FB and Uber mostly boils down to PR - that - and the fact that Uber has to actually employ large quantities of people in irregular situations. I don't like Uber - but I feel safer with them than Google - who knows everything about me and will do as they please with that information.
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