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This is just getting more bonkers. I just reported on data.. inference is mostly on your end, and as I showed, incorrect. 1. Value: Your census data shows PhDs
by lmeyerov 9y ago
This is just getting more bonkers. I just reported on data.. inference is mostly on your end, and as I showed, incorrect.
1. Value: Your census data shows PhDs have a high $ value. Data shows your supposition is wrong: the gov already underpays for PhD-candidate-caliber labor relative to market by 2-3X.
2+3. What if + data: Dropouts have resume stigma, so I'm not sure why that measures what you want. For the "phd or industry?" decision facing BS grads, you can do a back-of-envelope in < 3 minutes. Arbitrarily, I picked Cornell 2010 BS grads, where students chose between a ~$75K salary vs going to a top 10 MS/PhD: https://www.cs.cornell.edu/undergrad/cscareers/placementreport/2010placementreport https://www.cs.cornell.edu/undergrad/cscareers/placementrepo... . Berkeley falls in that bucket, with stipends being around $30K and MS/PhDs earning ~$105K. Assuming a ~5% annual bonus, 2yr MS and 5yr PhD... MS students out-earn everyone within 7 years, and it takes 20 years for a PhD to start to catch up to a BS, and with a low salary for some of their best years. For fun, also read up on impacts for things like having children. Professors explicitly tell students not to do a PhD for money because of the opportunity cost. HN friendly is ex-Harvard Matt Walsh.
The rest of your comment continues to be bogus:
-- There's underpaid, and there's systemically eating the seed corn.
-- If you're against using the tax code to incentivize behavior... this change without a compensating increase in R&D funding means Republicans are using the tax code to disincentivize American R&D
-- Previous generations, according to _data_, paid way less for their opportunities: https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21567373-american-universities-represent-declining-value-money-their-students-not-what-it https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21567373-americ... . The trend has been getting even worse since the 90s, as is worsening R&D funding, which is curiously correlated with anti-intellectualism in the Republican party.
-- Students are doing it for charity and thus can take more cuts? As a fun example, UCSF, a top medical program (as in, actively solving cancer), can no longer provide subsidized housing for its PhDs, and has been losing its ability to enroll top students. Squeezing them further will have predictable results.
The one argument I'd agree to, and you aren't using, is that administration costs are increasing. However, cutting grad student wages is evil. It sets fire to seed corn instead of the administrators, so we know who'll burn first.