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Right, it takes paperwork to verify identity, otherwise the ID would be worthless. I've also never met an adult that _doesn't_ have some form of photo ID. I un
by TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
Right, it takes paperwork to verify identity, otherwise the ID would be worthless. I've also never met an adult that _doesn't_ have some form of photo ID.
I understand that it's important to protect our poor and all that, but requiring proof of citizenship to vote seems pretty important to me in our democracy, and is an incredibly low bar that nearly everyone is already capable of meeting.
- macintux 9y agoWell, anecdata aside, an estimated 20 million Americans don’t per one study. http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/do...
- baddox 9y agoI’ve never met one either, but that could not be any less relevant. The ACLU says that 11% of American citizens have no ID. https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-...
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoThat statistic came from the Brennan Center for Justice, which has a history of bias-driven research[1]. They have also taken massive donations from George Soros. I question the legitimacy of their "research." [1] https://ballotpedia.org/Brennan_Center_for_Justice#Bias https://ballotpedia.org/Brennan_Center_for_Justice#Bias edit: Why am I being downvoted for doing research on citations? It's kind of important to be critical of these kind of things.
- macintux 9y agoOk, how about another study. 100k in Wisconsin alone. http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/barriers/DriversLicense.pdf http://www4.uwm.edu/eti/barriers/DriversLicense.pdf
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoThat research is incomplete. Look at the bottom of page 3: "A portion of the population without a drivers license – whether valid or not – will have a photo ID, but without an analysis by race and location, it is not possible to estimate that population. " The question here isn't whether or not they have valid drivers license, it's whether or not they have a valid photo ID good enough to vote with. Thank you for providing that link, though. It's less biased than the others so far.
- macintux 9y agoIt’d be one thing if the politicians pushing voter ID were also pushing hard on making it easy, but when you look at Alabama cutting off access to IDs st the same time they’re requiring them, it’s hard not to draw obvious conclusions about intent. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/alabama-drivers-licenses-voter-id http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/alabama-drivers-licen...
- TheAdamAndChe 9y agoI agree completely. IMO, voter ID laws should only be legal if photo IDs are free. If a state simultaneously restricts access to IDs while requiring them, then that's voter suppression.
- macintux 9y agoI’d argue free isn’t enough. Free and accessible is necessary, but given how hard it is to obtain a birth certificate e.g. there’s more to the problem.
- dashundchen 9y agoHonestly where does this George Soros Boogeyman spring from? His philanthropy seems way less insidious and society undermining than the Kochs, Mercer, DeVos.
- lamarpye 9y agoI guess it depends on where you sit...
- astura 9y agoHow do you know? Do you ask everyone you meet for an ID? There's a lot of people who live in the "fringes" of society who don't have an ID. My uncle, for example. He lived with my grandma his whole life and didn't have a driver's license, car, or a job other than to run errands for my grandma. I also have a friend who does not have an ID. Her husband takes care of everything and she doesn't drive. It's unusual but not illegal to live like that.
- jimktrains2 9y ago> I've also never met an adult that _doesn't_ have some form of photo ID. I'm sorry you live in a bubble and can't see past it.