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It's too bad this got flagged. I think it could have good discussions. My problem with bootcamps is that is not how the human brain works. No one can absorb 12
by throwaway2016a 9y ago
It's too bad this got flagged. I think it could have good discussions.
My problem with bootcamps is that is not how the human brain works. No one can absorb 12 hours a day of information for 12 weeks. Things get lost.
We need experience and repetition. We need to shoot ourselves in the foot by accident a few times. You don't get that in a 12 weeks.
Which is fine. I've hired plenty of people with no college but years of real world experience. I've even hired someone straight out of high school before.
The difference is when you act like the 12 weeks has taught you everything you need to know.
"wisdom is knowing you know nothing"
I've been doing this 20 years and have a computer science degree and I still marvel at what I don't know.
With that said, the company that made that job post sounds like a terrible place to work. I'd probably rather work with the bootcamp grad than whoever wrote that job listing.
Although one point... and this is right up in there with things you didn't learn in bootcamp...
It's ok to write a O(n^2) loop if n is a small number. Only optimize your algorithms if it actually has performance impact. Don't optimize just for the sake of "exponential complexity is bad." Premature optimization is a terrible thing.
- tchaffee 9y agoAgreed with most of what you said, especially that this would be a good discussion. My problem with filtering based on bootcamp training is that you occasionally find someone who has been programming their whole life (as a kid) an d finally decided to get a certificate. If there is one thing I've learned about interviewing, it's to not limit your options. Instead, talk to people for a few minutes on the phone and ask your own questions instead of looking at what someone put on a piece of paper about themselves. If you don't have time for that, outsource it to a recruiting firm who will also be good at finding diamonds in the rough.
- throwaway2016a 9y agoTo be clear, I do not agree to filtering out bootcamp people.
- tchaffee 9y agoYou made that clear in your first post. I was just trying to add on to that.
- greglindahl 9y ago> The difference is when you act like the 12 weeks has taught you everything you need to know. I've never met anyone out of a bootcamp who acted like that.
- throwaway2016a 9y agoUnfortunately I have. Everyone is different, I don't think they are all like that. Probably depends a lot on who the mentors are too.