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Just because someone has done something for generations doesn't make it right. They also send children to kindergarten by the 3rd month, for economic reasons.

by dgut 9y ago

Just because someone has done something for generations doesn't make it right. They also send children to kindergarten by the 3rd month, for economic reasons. Having traveled a bit in Northern Africa, I noticed baby sleep problems are virtually non-existent there. They do what humans have done for eons: co-sleeping and breastfeeding. They do it so naturally, mothers are never fully awake while they breastfeed during the night (wife had to sleep in a room full of women and children on several occasions). Biologically, this makes a lot more sense than giving the signal to the most immaturely born placental mammal that she can't rely on the mother's care.

ThomPete 9y ago
Wait are we talking morals or are we talking genetic and statistics? Denmark sends their kids to nursery school early too and because many women work full time there it means most children aren't with their parent's for a long duration of the day (used ot be much earlier). What you think about it morally isn't interesting to me. Unless you can prove it's somehow making them worse of then my original position is intact.
- celman 9y ago
  Maybe I'm reading it wrong but i don't think parent is raising a morality issue. I think the point was parent's experience with cosleeping having positive effects re baby sleep. I'm not saying this is scientifically valid, btw. However, saying "unless you can prove it" shows ignorance. Not everything is known. Lack of proof does not indicate a hypothesis' invalidity. and I'm not aware of solid proof against it either.
- dgut 9y ago
  I think you might have misinterpreted my comment as an argument about moral. Leaving babies to cry or separating them from their mothers for extended periods of time is primarily a health issue which I believe should concern society. [1][2][3] Unfortunately, it fits our economic model very well -- so there is that. [1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.432.5090&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.432... [2] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psychopathology/article/role-of-early-experience-in-shaping-behavioral-and-brain-development-and-its-implications-for-social-policy/B7D22C728385CFEEEF9675EAC2760054 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psyc... [3] http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/champ11.pdf http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/champ11.pdf
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    No, I asked you what we were discussing because it sounded like you were talking about right or wrong. If you want it to concern society perhaps first you need to make clear what it is you are trying to avoid. I don't see any evidence which proves some larger societal problem.

by dgut 9y ago

ThomPete 9y ago

Wait are we talking morals or are we talking genetic and statistics? Denmark sends their kids to nursery school early too and because many women work full time there it means most children aren't with their parent's for a long duration of the day (used ot be much earlier). What you think about it morally isn't interesting to me. Unless you can prove it's somehow making them worse of then my original position is intact.

celman 9y ago
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but i don't think parent is raising a morality issue. I think the point was parent's experience with cosleeping having positive effects re baby sleep. I'm not saying this is scientifically valid, btw. However, saying "unless you can prove it" shows ignorance. Not everything is known. Lack of proof does not indicate a hypothesis' invalidity. and I'm not aware of solid proof against it either.
dgut 9y ago
I think you might have misinterpreted my comment as an argument about moral. Leaving babies to cry or separating them from their mothers for extended periods of time is primarily a health issue which I believe should concern society. [1][2][3] Unfortunately, it fits our economic model very well -- so there is that. [1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.432.5090&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.432... [2] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psychopathology/article/role-of-early-experience-in-shaping-behavioral-and-brain-development-and-its-implications-for-social-policy/B7D22C728385CFEEEF9675EAC2760054 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psyc... [3] http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/champ11.pdf http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/champ11.pdf
- ThomPete 9y ago
  No, I asked you what we were discussing because it sounded like you were talking about right or wrong. If you want it to concern society perhaps first you need to make clear what it is you are trying to avoid. I don't see any evidence which proves some larger societal problem.