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Python - Django Ruby - Rails PHP - Laravel all nice choices

by _arvin 9y ago

baby 9y ago
Agree, note that Laravel was heavily influenced by RoR. I personally find that Laravel is less heavy than Django which is way less heavy than RoR. I would never use RoR for small projects.
blunte 9y ago
And if you don't mind the learning curve (which will make you a better thinker!), I would add Elixir - Phoenix I wish there was a complete Clojure - ???
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  Elixir with Phoenix is phenomenal. An absolute joy to use. Elixir itself is an excellent language that leveraged the strengths of the Erlang VM, and Phoenix is like a massively improved, blazing fast and reliable version of Rails.
- KingMob 9y ago
  Closest is probably Luminus, but it's really just a Leiningen build tool that can pull in your choice of libs to stitch together. It's good, and speeds up Clojure web dev, but is in no ways a framework by itself.
- guftagu 9y ago
  I'd wait for the ecosystem to mature before building a business app with Phoenix. You never know what taken for granted library is missing in Elixir, and it's going to be damn hard to hire a developer experienced with Phoenix. Everyone on your team will be slow and will be making a steady stream of mistakes as they learn the framework
  - blunte 9y ago
    I think Phoenix (and Elixir) is mature enough already to use in production. I've made pretty good, bordering on oracle-like :) predictions about directions in technology over more years than I care to think about; so I'm confident that Phoenix is only going to grow in use and positive attention. It will be the logical successor to Rails. It already is. That said, I use a good mix of Elixir+Phoenix and old-school cron launched Python utility scripts, and that works nicely. Anything that's difficult (probably because I am still a newb) in Elixir I can easily do out of band with a Python script. But your point about difficult to hire experienced people is the reason for my reply. This is the mentality that is ruining IT and development. Yes, having someone with hands on experience in all of your tools is nice - a rare luxury in fact. But it's really not necessary. I would be quite happy to have someone that has willingly built something in Rails, Django, and Nodejs with an "Oh I can learn that" attitude. Especially if you come from a modern MVC framework, Phoenix itself is easy. Elixir is the part that requires some real effort, imo.
CraneWorm 9y ago
Scala - Play
- BlackMonday 9y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Compared to Django, RoR and Laravel it's not opinionated enough. No resources like RoR and Laravel, no buil-in database mapping, no built-in authorization etc. btw: what do you use for the database access? Slick, Quill, Doobie, ScalikeJDBC, Anorm, Squeryl, jOOQ, Relate, Activate or something else? There seem to be gazillions of sql libraries for scala (although the big three and most relevant are probably Slick, Quill and Doobie). And what do you use for Authorization? Something custom build? If I look at Laravel there are quite a few maintained authorization libs with ~1000 stars on youtube (even more if we count unmaintained), for play there is not really much (deadbolt, play4j and t2v/play2-auth, I don't count Silhouette since the lib is mainly about authentication).
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Python - Django Ruby - Rails PHP - Laravel all nice choices

by _arvin 9y ago

Python - Django Ruby - Rails PHP - Laravel all nice choices

baby 9y ago

Agree, note that Laravel was heavily influenced by RoR. I personally find that Laravel is less heavy than Django which is way less heavy than RoR. I would never use RoR for small projects.

blunte 9y ago

And if you don't mind the learning curve (which will make you a better thinker!), I would add Elixir - Phoenix I wish there was a complete Clojure - ???

enraged_camel 9y ago
Elixir with Phoenix is phenomenal. An absolute joy to use. Elixir itself is an excellent language that leveraged the strengths of the Erlang VM, and Phoenix is like a massively improved, blazing fast and reliable version of Rails.
KingMob 9y ago
Closest is probably Luminus, but it's really just a Leiningen build tool that can pull in your choice of libs to stitch together. It's good, and speeds up Clojure web dev, but is in no ways a framework by itself.
guftagu 9y ago
I'd wait for the ecosystem to mature before building a business app with Phoenix. You never know what taken for granted library is missing in Elixir, and it's going to be damn hard to hire a developer experienced with Phoenix. Everyone on your team will be slow and will be making a steady stream of mistakes as they learn the framework
- blunte 9y ago
  I think Phoenix (and Elixir) is mature enough already to use in production. I've made pretty good, bordering on oracle-like :) predictions about directions in technology over more years than I care to think about; so I'm confident that Phoenix is only going to grow in use and positive attention. It will be the logical successor to Rails. It already is. That said, I use a good mix of Elixir+Phoenix and old-school cron launched Python utility scripts, and that works nicely. Anything that's difficult (probably because I am still a newb) in Elixir I can easily do out of band with a Python script. But your point about difficult to hire experienced people is the reason for my reply. This is the mentality that is ruining IT and development. Yes, having someone with hands on experience in all of your tools is nice - a rare luxury in fact. But it's really not necessary. I would be quite happy to have someone that has willingly built something in Rails, Django, and Nodejs with an "Oh I can learn that" attitude. Especially if you come from a modern MVC framework, Phoenix itself is easy. Elixir is the part that requires some real effort, imo.

CraneWorm 9y ago

Scala - Play

BlackMonday 9y ago
I'm not sure about that. Compared to Django, RoR and Laravel it's not opinionated enough. No resources like RoR and Laravel, no buil-in database mapping, no built-in authorization etc. btw: what do you use for the database access? Slick, Quill, Doobie, ScalikeJDBC, Anorm, Squeryl, jOOQ, Relate, Activate or something else? There seem to be gazillions of sql libraries for scala (although the big three and most relevant are probably Slick, Quill and Doobie). And what do you use for Authorization? Something custom build? If I look at Laravel there are quite a few maintained authorization libs with ~1000 stars on youtube (even more if we count unmaintained), for play there is not really much (deadbolt, play4j and t2v/play2-auth, I don't count Silhouette since the lib is mainly about authentication).
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