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> The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technica

> The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technical concern for its technical capacity). You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong, rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. > The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically, and has overtaken the #1 traditional watch maker in sales (and moves more units than competitive smart-watches). And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. > The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. When was it ever?

coldtea 9y ago
>You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. I might as well sell my used MBPr for plenty of $$$ and buy a new model with more RAM 2-3 years down the road, than buy something that I can upgrade but would be selling for much much less than what I bought it for. >Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong Horses for courses. I'd rather treat it as an opaque box, which either works or doesn't. I don't want to be the mechanic of my laptop. >rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. >And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. Well, Hillary got the popular vote, so where does that leave your argument? >When was it ever? Yes, since it's inception. In fact the competition for the first 2-3 years was so bad, it was laughed out of the market (not to mention the first competitors managed to cost even more than the iPad itself).
- Nullabillity 9y ago
  > Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. > Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. > Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. Have fun with your pyramid schemes. > Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The $400 + $300 per incident add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer. Or you could just repair it, and keep the change.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. It's one of the customization options they give. Perhaps it's not available for the 13"? (I have the 15") >Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. Yes, usually use them for 3 years or so before replacement (previous model I had was a 2013 one, new model is a 2017). But I pick a model based on my needs down those 2-3 years. If I have a feel I'll be needing more disk, I get a bigger disk from the start. >Have fun with your pyramid schemes. Selling a used laptop (or anything) is hardly a pyramid scheme. For one, it doesn't usually get more than 1 sale, making the whole "pyramid scheme" accusation moot. >Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The payment is on top of the standard warrantee, and includes accidents and such that are not covered by most warrantees, so... >add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer Well, good luck with that.

coldtea 9y ago

>You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. I might as well sell my used MBPr for plenty of $$$ and buy a new model with more RAM 2-3 years down the road, than buy something that I can upgrade but would be selling for much much less than what I bought it for. >Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong Horses for courses. I'd rather treat it as an opaque box, which either works or doesn't. I don't want to be the mechanic of my laptop. >rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. >And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. Well, Hillary got the popular vote, so where does that leave your argument? >When was it ever? Yes, since it's inception. In fact the competition for the first 2-3 years was so bad, it was laughed out of the market (not to mention the first competitors managed to cost even more than the iPad itself).

Nullabillity 9y ago
> Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. > Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. > Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. Have fun with your pyramid schemes. > Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The $400 + $300 per incident add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer. Or you could just repair it, and keep the change.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. It's one of the customization options they give. Perhaps it's not available for the 13"? (I have the 15") >Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. Yes, usually use them for 3 years or so before replacement (previous model I had was a 2013 one, new model is a 2017). But I pick a model based on my needs down those 2-3 years. If I have a feel I'll be needing more disk, I get a bigger disk from the start. >Have fun with your pyramid schemes. Selling a used laptop (or anything) is hardly a pyramid scheme. For one, it doesn't usually get more than 1 sale, making the whole "pyramid scheme" accusation moot. >Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The payment is on top of the standard warrantee, and includes accidents and such that are not covered by most warrantees, so... >add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer Well, good luck with that.