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I’ll give Apple one full more year and see where Mac goes. Their hardware products are truly incredible...minus Macbook /Pro. And I personally love Apple Music

I’ll give Apple one full more year and see where Mac goes. Their hardware products are truly incredible...minus Macbook /Pro. And I personally love Apple Music over Spotify but I know many disagree.

dingo_bat 9y ago
> Their hardware products are truly incredible For example? All I see is outdated design and hardware. Only "incredible" hardware I can think of is the new chip in iphone x.
- coldtea 9y ago
  What "outdated design and hardware"? The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technical concern for its technical capacity). The iPhone X is top notch (pun intended) and has been praised in reviews all around the world. The AirPods have been described as mostly magical by their users (I'd add to that). The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically, and has overtaken the #1 traditional watch maker in sales (and moves more units than competitive smart-watches). It's the only one that was deemed most accurate in its health measurements (heart, etc) from all smartwatches too in competitive tests. The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. So?
  - Nullabillity 9y ago
    > The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technical concern for its technical capacity). You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong, rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. > The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically, and has overtaken the #1 traditional watch maker in sales (and moves more units than competitive smart-watches). And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. > The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. When was it ever?
    - coldtea 9y ago
      >You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. I might as well sell my used MBPr for plenty of $$$ and buy a new model with more RAM 2-3 years down the road, than buy something that I can upgrade but would be selling for much much less than what I bought it for. >Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong Horses for courses. I'd rather treat it as an opaque box, which either works or doesn't. I don't want to be the mechanic of my laptop. >rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. >And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. Well, Hillary got the popular vote, so where does that leave your argument? >When was it ever? Yes, since it's inception. In fact the competition for the first 2-3 years was so bad, it was laughed out of the market (not to mention the first competitors managed to cost even more than the iPad itself).
      - Nullabillity 9y ago
        > Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. > Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. > Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. Have fun with your pyramid schemes. > Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The $400 + $300 per incident add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer. Or you could just repair it, and keep the change.
  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    > The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo Says who? I think Surface book/pro and Dell XPS have caught up and in some ways surpassed MBpro. > The iPhone X is top notch Don't disagree, but the hardware is nothing special. We have had this quality and refinement in Android flagships for a couple of years now. Apple has just caught up to the state of the art. > The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. The iwatch is good, but not better than any other comparable watch out there, hardware-wise. > The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. I think you're repeatedly conflating sales/revenue numbers with hardware and technological superiority. MBpro, iphone x, iwatch, ipad all are very well made and very high-tech products. They all have nice hardware. I am particularly impressed by the face mapping tech in iphone. But all of them are about at par with any high-end laptop, phone or tablet. In fact there are laptops with windows hello, which work very well for face login. The Galaxy phones pack in a lot of hardware features and have had a futuristic design which apple has just come around to copying. There is no clear hardware superiority in apple's products.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      >Says who? I think Surface book/pro and Dell XPS have caught up and in some ways surpassed MBpro. Reviewers, for one. Dell XPS is nowhere near the build quality of a MBPr, the Surface Pro is close but no cigar. >Don't disagree, but the hardware is nothing special. In what way? It's the fastest smartphone available, smoking the competition. The camera and image processing is one of the best, if not the best, on any smartphone. AR processing. Best in class sensors. Smoking fast graphics. Most custom designed by Apple. What else would it need? Magic unicorn engine, it doesn't have. >Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. Anything concrete -- some specific model, so that we can do a comparison for those "better features, hardware and battery life"? >But all of them are about at par with any high-end laptop, phone or tablet. "About at par" is the best one can say.
    - thinkythought 9y ago
      >Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. The iwatch is good, but not better than any other comparable watch out there, hardware-wise. What other brands full featured, actual app ecosystem smartwatch is the form factor of the 38mm apple watch? Which of them have LTE even as an option? It's smaller than some of the fitbit type trackers, even. You can gripe over other things about it, but no one else makes a _small_ smartwatch like it that isn't severely limited in some way
- amedvednikov 9y ago
  5K iMacs
  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    It's a 5k screen with laptop parts. What's so great about the hardware? Surface studio is much more impressive, hardware and design wise.
giancarlostoro 9y ago
And the Mac Mini is stuck in limbo... Really want a Mac Mini upgrade that is completely worthwhile.
nicky0 9y ago
What happens in a year?
- delinka 9y ago
  Hopefully (maybe) Apple shows us what they’re up to with the Mac Pro. If that doesn’t happen, in a year pducks32 leaves the platform ... along with everyone else along the way.
  - nicky0 9y ago
    Speak for yourself.

dingo_bat 9y ago

> Their hardware products are truly incredible For example? All I see is outdated design and hardware. Only "incredible" hardware I can think of is the new chip in iphone x.

coldtea 9y ago
What "outdated design and hardware"? The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technical concern for its technical capacity). The iPhone X is top notch (pun intended) and has been praised in reviews all around the world. The AirPods have been described as mostly magical by their users (I'd add to that). The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically, and has overtaken the #1 traditional watch maker in sales (and moves more units than competitive smart-watches). It's the only one that was deemed most accurate in its health measurements (heart, etc) from all smartwatches too in competitive tests. The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. So?
- Nullabillity 9y ago
  > The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo (having to spend for a "dongle" or new USB-C cables is not a technical concern for its technical capacity). You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong, rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. > The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically, and has overtaken the #1 traditional watch maker in sales (and moves more units than competitive smart-watches). And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. > The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. When was it ever?
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >You have to be joking. Apple charges $2k just to get a quad-core CPU or more than 8GB of RAM. Soldered, mind you, so you can't just replace it later. Oh, and I hope you don't need more than 500GB of storage! Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. I might as well sell my used MBPr for plenty of $$$ and buy a new model with more RAM 2-3 years down the road, than buy something that I can upgrade but would be selling for much much less than what I bought it for. >Build quality tends to include things like, you know, being able to fix it when things inevitably go wrong Horses for courses. I'd rather treat it as an opaque box, which either works or doesn't. I don't want to be the mechanic of my laptop. >rather than throwing it in the bin and paying $2k+ for another lottery ticket. Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. >And Trump managed to get elected president. I guess that says more about the average consumer than about the product they're selling. Well, Hillary got the popular vote, so where does that leave your argument? >When was it ever? Yes, since it's inception. In fact the competition for the first 2-3 years was so bad, it was laughed out of the market (not to mention the first competitors managed to cost even more than the iPad itself).
    - Nullabillity 9y ago
      > Well, I have 1TB or storage on mine, so? Where is that listed? The biggest one I can find on apple.com has a 512GB drive. > Second, whether it has cheap replacement options is not exactly a criterion about if it's the best out there or not. Presumably you'd be using it for a couple of years, not just right now. > Besides, any competitor product I can buy that doesn't have "soldered RAM" and would allow me to upgrade its RAM 2 years in the future, will also have lost more of its resale value compared to an Apple laptop. Have fun with your pyramid schemes. > Or you know, buying Applecare for it, and having the customer support that most people have rated as #1 in satisfaction in relevant surveys in the US for more than a decade. Yes, because I'm fond of paying more to (barely) solve the problem that they created in the first place. The $400 + $300 per incident add up to enough to just buy another laptop from a more competent manufacturer. Or you could just repair it, and keep the change.
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  > The Macbook Pro is the best laptop out there as a power/battery life/build quality combo Says who? I think Surface book/pro and Dell XPS have caught up and in some ways surpassed MBpro. > The iPhone X is top notch Don't disagree, but the hardware is nothing special. We have had this quality and refinement in Android flagships for a couple of years now. Apple has just caught up to the state of the art. > The Apple Watch is the best in its kind technologically Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. The iwatch is good, but not better than any other comparable watch out there, hardware-wise. > The iPad continues to be the best tablet technology wise. I think you're repeatedly conflating sales/revenue numbers with hardware and technological superiority. MBpro, iphone x, iwatch, ipad all are very well made and very high-tech products. They all have nice hardware. I am particularly impressed by the face mapping tech in iphone. But all of them are about at par with any high-end laptop, phone or tablet. In fact there are laptops with windows hello, which work very well for face login. The Galaxy phones pack in a lot of hardware features and have had a futuristic design which apple has just come around to copying. There is no clear hardware superiority in apple's products.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Says who? I think Surface book/pro and Dell XPS have caught up and in some ways surpassed MBpro. Reviewers, for one. Dell XPS is nowhere near the build quality of a MBPr, the Surface Pro is close but no cigar. >Don't disagree, but the hardware is nothing special. In what way? It's the fastest smartphone available, smoking the competition. The camera and image processing is one of the best, if not the best, on any smartphone. AR processing. Best in class sensors. Smoking fast graphics. Most custom designed by Apple. What else would it need? Magic unicorn engine, it doesn't have. >Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. Anything concrete -- some specific model, so that we can do a comparison for those "better features, hardware and battery life"? >But all of them are about at par with any high-end laptop, phone or tablet. "About at par" is the best one can say.
  - thinkythought 9y ago
    >Bullshit. Smart watches with better features, better hardware and better battery life have existed for a long while now. The iwatch is good, but not better than any other comparable watch out there, hardware-wise. What other brands full featured, actual app ecosystem smartwatch is the form factor of the 38mm apple watch? Which of them have LTE even as an option? It's smaller than some of the fitbit type trackers, even. You can gripe over other things about it, but no one else makes a _small_ smartwatch like it that isn't severely limited in some way
amedvednikov 9y ago
5K iMacs
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  It's a 5k screen with laptop parts. What's so great about the hardware? Surface studio is much more impressive, hardware and design wise.

giancarlostoro 9y ago

And the Mac Mini is stuck in limbo... Really want a Mac Mini upgrade that is completely worthwhile.

nicky0 9y ago

What happens in a year?

delinka 9y ago
Hopefully (maybe) Apple shows us what they’re up to with the Mac Pro. If that doesn’t happen, in a year pducks32 leaves the platform ... along with everyone else along the way.
- nicky0 9y ago
  Speak for yourself.