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I'm on very solid ground calling NIMBYism xenophobic. (It is also racist given how people of color were systematically excluded from housing until very recently

I'm on very solid ground calling NIMBYism xenophobic. (It is also racist given how people of color were systematically excluded from housing until very recently.)

Clubber 9y ago
So xenophobia is fear of people other countries. NIMBY means "Not in my back yard." That includes everything from HUD housing, to nuclear power plants, to fracking, to prisons. I don't see how being afraid of nuclear disasters is in any way xenophobic. I also don't see how not wanting your property devalued by building cheaper houses is either. I think you don't have a clear understanding of what those things are, particularly in regards to the article we're discussing which happens to be in present day time. Or maybe that's your "I want to win" tactic and you are just throwing it out there to see if it will stick. That might work in some corners of the internet, but it doesn't seem to be working here. If you have a rational argument about the discussion, I invite you to present it.
- damnyou 9y ago
  Xenophobia is fear or loathing of outsiders. Nuclear plants are a ridiculous strawman. We're talking about places for people — living, breathing human beings, with thoughts, dreams and aspirations — to live in. Ensuring other people have a place to live is more important than your property values and neighborhood character. I have an extremely clear understanding of how the white upper middle class has systematically used the state's monopoly on violence to exclude anyone else from joining their ranks.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    So redefining words so your argument makes sense isn't a valid tactic. From a dictionary: xen·o·pho·bi·a ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/Submit noun intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Nimby ˈnimbē/Submit noun a person who objects to the siting of something perceived as unpleasant or potentially dangerous in their own neighborhood, such as a landfill or hazardous waste facility, especially while raising no such objections to similar developments elsewhere.
    - damnyou 9y ago
      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia includes "strangers". In common parlance in the United States, NIMBYism includes opposition to housing. That is also what we're talking about in this thread.
      - Clubber 9y ago
        Maybe in your little bubble, but not generally.
        damnyou 9y ago
        If you want, replace all instances of "NIMBYism" in my text with your preferred term. Maybe "housing NIMBYism"? You'll see that the changes don't actually make a difference to any of my arguments.

I'm on very solid ground calling NIMBYism xenophobic. (It is also racist given how people of color were systematically excluded from housing until very recently.)

Clubber 9y ago

So xenophobia is fear of people other countries. NIMBY means "Not in my back yard." That includes everything from HUD housing, to nuclear power plants, to fracking, to prisons. I don't see how being afraid of nuclear disasters is in any way xenophobic. I also don't see how not wanting your property devalued by building cheaper houses is either. I think you don't have a clear understanding of what those things are, particularly in regards to the article we're discussing which happens to be in present day time. Or maybe that's your "I want to win" tactic and you are just throwing it out there to see if it will stick. That might work in some corners of the internet, but it doesn't seem to be working here. If you have a rational argument about the discussion, I invite you to present it.

damnyou 9y ago
Xenophobia is fear or loathing of outsiders. Nuclear plants are a ridiculous strawman. We're talking about places for people — living, breathing human beings, with thoughts, dreams and aspirations — to live in. Ensuring other people have a place to live is more important than your property values and neighborhood character. I have an extremely clear understanding of how the white upper middle class has systematically used the state's monopoly on violence to exclude anyone else from joining their ranks.
- Clubber 9y ago
  So redefining words so your argument makes sense isn't a valid tactic. From a dictionary: xen·o·pho·bi·a ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/Submit noun intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Nimby ˈnimbē/Submit noun a person who objects to the siting of something perceived as unpleasant or potentially dangerous in their own neighborhood, such as a landfill or hazardous waste facility, especially while raising no such objections to similar developments elsewhere.
  - damnyou 9y ago
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia includes "strangers". In common parlance in the United States, NIMBYism includes opposition to housing. That is also what we're talking about in this thread.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      Maybe in your little bubble, but not generally.
      - damnyou 9y ago
        If you want, replace all instances of "NIMBYism" in my text with your preferred term. Maybe "housing NIMBYism"? You'll see that the changes don't actually make a difference to any of my arguments.