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I agree it's a big deal, in that it's serious - it's a security vulnerability after all, yes. But I disagree about its significance for Apple in the face of the
by dsacco 9y ago
I agree it's a big deal, in that it's serious - it's a security vulnerability after all, yes. But I disagree about its significance for Apple in the face of the sheer number of security advisories that come out across iOS and macOS each year. When we broaden perspective away from just Apple, this becomes absolutely miniscule. There's a lot of navel gazing going on, but there's not a lot of reason to read anything particular out of this at all.
It's very silly, and I would also be embarrassed if I was involved in it, but those aren't good metrics for judging the realistic frequency of bugs like this, nor their severity. I've had vulnerabilities I've reported picked up by a bunch of news media before even though they weren't that serious. As it turns out, the media just latches on to security headlines, and everyone sort of forgets about it except us grumblers on Hacker News, because we Never Forget.
Someone from Google Project Zero has probably been inspired to start fuzzing the macOS at the UI level now, and that's a good thing - they should. But that's about all I'm taking away from this story.
Moreover:
> on an OS that’s only used as a personal computer, not as a server
This makes it less severe, not more so. I'd rather have a Heartbleed impacting nearly every server on the internet than a...whatever we're calling this, impacting every macOS computer in the world. I guess I can make a botnet...except I still have to be local to it in the majority of cases, or do specific targeting, or chain this with another piece of popular, compromised software, etc. It suddenly becomes a bit more complex than just someone pressing enter on a root prompt twice. Plus, if the vulnerability is laughably silly, it's usually easier to find than a chain of them that evidences a systemic misconfiguration in the entire OS.
In fact, I'd posit that the reason this story is getting so much attention is precisely because the vulnerability is so easy to understand, and because someone disclosed it on Twitter. Frankly, the whole situation is really quite funny in a black comedy sort of way. But while it's fun to write stories poking fun at large companies for their silly mistakes, it doesn't meaningfully reflect their security competency or the long term perception of their security competency.
Really I don't mean to trivialize it. It's not a good look, and definitely it's worthy of being patched. But I think it's worth looking at from a much broader perspective.
- toyg 9y ago>> on an OS that’s only used as a personal computer, not as a server > This makes it less severe, not more so. You are looking at it from the perspective of a seasoned security professional. It's like looking at the terrorist attack in Nice from a military point of view and saying "eh, this was just a guy on a lorry; it's much more difficult to raid Osama in the middle of Pakistan". That might well be, but this does not matter to the general public - to them, concepts like "botnets" are immaterial, whereas Slippin' Jimmy entering their macbooks to read their emails while they're sleeping is very real. In that sense, the impact here was bigger than any other security hole ever experienced on the Mac.
- 9935c101ab17a66 9y agoI don't really think your analogy is all that apt, but anyway, it just serve's to reinforce dsacco's point: there may have been a lot of fuss over this, but in terms of actual impact, this was negligible.
- JadeNB 9y ago> I'd rather have a Heartbleed impacting nearly every server on the internet than a...whatever we're calling this, impacting every macOS computer in the world. I think I must be misunderstanding this, or else the rest of your comment. Did you really mean it this way (more Heartbleeds is better than more personal-OS vulnerabilities), rather than the other way around?